Rig updated bitches!!

Discussion in 'Guitar Gear Talk Forum' started by unet, Jul 4, 2009.

  1. unet

    unet New Member

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    Well?

    [and don't worry...i don't scoop my mids. I just wanted my pedal to look happy!]
     
  2. distorted

    distorted satan

    Congrats!!
     
  3. unet

    unet New Member

  4. distorted

    distorted satan

    Hws the sound frm the pikup? Hw does the distortion sound?
     
  5. distorted

    distorted satan

    Hws the sound frm the pikup? Hw does the distortion sound?
     
  6. unet

    unet New Member

    It's awesome!

    The Ibanez stock was muddy as hell in retrospect.
    now i can crank the gain up to max and have no issues.

    Its clear, middy, heavy.
    And does good cleans.
     
  7. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    As if scooping the mids is something bad ...
     
  8. flood

    flood New Member

    meh, scooped mids just kill your tone in the mix.
     
  9. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    Yeah right, metallica's guitar tones pre-Load were shyte in the mix.

    St. Anger must've sounded the best, 'coz it had guitar mids maxed out.


    Geez, cut some slack here. Scooped mids = bad tone is just a heresy among guitarists.
    By the way, mids (IN GUITARS) is entire spectrum from say 500 Hz to 2000 Hz.

    You can reduce either of the lower mids (less than 1000 Hz) or higher mids (more than 1000 Hz).
    Still sound enough scooped mids.
    Still have enough mids, for guitar tone to carry its weight in the mix.
     
  10. thehundredthone

    thehundredthone New Member

    Low mids must die! At least for my metchul tone. Well not die, just lie low.
     
  11. unet

    unet New Member

    Not how that word is used...

    Guitars are a mids instrument.
    Mild scoopage (if it pleases you) is okay...but whne you have heavily scooped mids on guitars in a mix with drums and bass, it just doesn't sound good.
    Or right.


    Now please stop hijacking my thread and say something nice about my equipment.
     
  12. flood

    flood New Member

  13. unet

    unet New Member

    :(

    Those 4ms pedals look awesome!

    I youtubed every video in the series.

    I need to use the loo...
     
  14. satch_attack

    satch_attack New Member

    you need to get a better guitar.Other than that your rig is neat.

    and i am with alpha on this one .the scooped mids=bad tone is just a really sad thing people follow without even trying it.
     
  15. unet

    unet New Member


    The only thing wrong with the guitar atm is that the sustain is a bit low and it has mild tuning issues.
    A new set of tuners and a trem block should help both of those out.
    It has good pickups, awesome electronics, a good nut, whatever else.
    Basswood is a nice enough body wood and it has a rosewood fretboard.
    Of course there are better guitars, but this works well as of now.

    I prefer it to many PRS's i've tried.
    (But that may just be because of the way they were set up.)

    Also, i like mids, A lot of them.
    The only reason i scoop them is to compensate for the Phase 90 which has a slight mid/volume boost.
    I also don't play much metal which need that type of tone.
     
  16. flood

    flood New Member

    apologies for hijacking your thread in advance.

    one major reason why i'm averse to the scooped mids is the implementation - HOW the mids are scooped. you have a bunch of morons assuming that a smiley face and an MT-2 set flat (or worse still, scooped!) will get them into MoP territory - i've been listening to bombay based metal bands try the scooped mids thing since about 96-97 and most of them are fail.

    a few points to consider:

    1. before scooping on the amp, any successful metal scooper (includings messrs. metallicae) will BOOST his mids in an earlier gain stage! this has a couple of interesting effects - you are amplifying and possibly clipping different frequency bands differently. a richer harmonic distortion will inadvertedly result in the mid-high band. also, most high gain designs based on the scooped metal tone (prime example being the MT-2) feature a passive high pass filter close to the input buffer. this "pre-emphasis" filter is set as high as 900Hz to cut down on wooliness and keep things sharp.
    2. the mud and wool that would otherwise mess up your great master of puppets cover occurs soemwhere in the lower mids - about 300 Hz. attenuating that will keep things tight - so now, we already have a notch in the smiley.
    3. a bit leftfield, this one - james hetfield's guitar tone owes heavily to the way his cab is miced. i remember reading somewhere that he uses 4 or more mics on a cab, and then fooled around with the mixer, and working with phase cancellation until he gets what he wants. a cheap way to test this would be on your demo or "otherwise registered" copy of guitar rig.
    4. do keep in mind that most of the legendary guitar tones on metal records were derived from GREAT amps. soldano, bogner, mesa boogies, modded marshalls. the stompboxes used here were DS-1s, big muffs and tube screamers. no MT-2s, tri-metals, etc. the dynamics, tone and clipping are vastly different to what most of our boys use.

    now, i'm not saying that everyone should turn on an imaginary lightbulb, rob the closest state bank of punjab branch and order a recto and bogner 4x12 and two bottles of black label with uncle happy singh who is coming down from delaware next month. there can be good metal tones derived form solid state gear - but only if you spend some time analysing what is really going on. for me as an amp builder, high-gain amps are a serious challenge because there are so many gain stages and so many nuances to gain architecture to consider - cut some here, boost some there, clip, attenaute, smoothen... a scandinavian massage for frequencies, pretty much. i think that's the approach that is necessary to get some seriously KICKASS tones from cheap but cheerful gear.

    for an excellent djenty downtuned metal tone with solid state gear, check out keshav dhar (machinehead on RSJ, dunno if he's here). http://www.soundclick.com/Keshav i finally did it after months of nagging and was pretty impressed.

    that's my take on scooped mids. i love them too, they're brutal, but not if they're missing the substance. so everytime i scoop the mids somewhere in my chain, you can safely visualize me adding mids somewhere else, mostly before, and possibly tweaking the tone control on my amp to compensate too. or scooping the mids on my amp, but assaulting the input tube with a massive mid boost. but i can't help but shed a tear everytime i'm in a music store or on a forum and some chaturvedi shows up asking for "PADDLE OR PROCESSOR WHICH WILL GIVE ME MATALLIKA TONE" or hear the words "buy an MT-2 and scoop the mids, tera kustom cube 20 bilkul tip-top matal baaayega". it happens pretty often too, sadly. :-/
     
  17. unet

    unet New Member

    Ees hokay.
    You have a point to make...

    Hydrodjent right?

    Awesome stuff.
    How does he record?
    It sounds brilliant.

    If only.... :(

    Which metal artist (except Korn...) used a big muff for their tones?
     
  18. thepacifist2013

    thepacifist2013 V.I.P Member

    Yeah, I thought I saw you there. But I was busy trying out PADAL for METTUL TONEZ !

    On a more serious note -:
    Everything about scooped-mids has been discussed here. Except that the wood combination you have on your guitar, unet, would act against mid-scooping.
    Basswood is a very soft wood having considerable lower mass than, let's say, Mahogany or ash. This has the effect of softening (dampening) the highs and a weaker and flubbier low-end. Combine it with a rosewood neck which has lesser fizz and top-end as compared to it's cousin (maple), and it actually "promotes" the mids.

    A djenty sound is not necessarily mid-scooped, it's more of shaping the mids as flood correctly pointed out. And it's affected by a variety of things other than your pedals, for e.g. your mic placement. Forget phase cancellation, you can place your mic in a 1x12 at the edge of the cone and at the center and the difference is night and day.

    Not to digress, METCHUL TONEZ are a little more complex than scooping out a band of frequency.
    And since we already agreed to that long before I posted this, let me shut up now.
     
  19. flood

    flood New Member

    hmmm funny, i can't think of any big muff metal players at all. or any fuzz for that matter (although kirk hammett does have a bunch of fuzz pedals, dunno if he uses them though) i stand corrected.

    and i need sleep. lots of it!
     
  20. unet

    unet New Member

    Ha.
    :D

    Isis....they sound fuzzy, but it's all VHT Pitbull.
    AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME vAWESOME AWESOME AWESOMEAWESOMEAWESOMEAWESOMEAWESOME band.


    This i did not know.
    (Although how much much i know about tone woods can be fit into one sentence...
    Mahogany is heavy.)

    The fact that i picked up a relatively mid heavy pickup :)D) for my bridge is odd...but i like it!
    Mids are my chuddy buddies.
    Yes.

    SLEEEEP!!
     

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