Rama's bridge & Paranormal Phenomenon Thread

I don't think so mate. Last I'd heard, it was confirmed that there was an estabilished U.S. military base which had scramblers to disrupt navigations. However, I'm not sure since my sources weren't terribly reliable.


The mystery of the Mary Celeste still remains though. How is it that an entire crew disappeared from on board a ship that apparently had no malfunction whatsoever? I suppose the military base theory would explain it.

 

have you guys heard about the Philadelphia experiment......there was a book about it too, called thin air.....

 

doc is right ......yeah there is a book about it...........

@cypher ........OK give me a proof that paranormal OR chamatkar does not exist.

 

have heard bout it...its bout a ship which got dissapeared and teleorted to some other place....it wasnt an experiment i guess....dunno much...doc plz share more on dis..

 

hey man.....da only thing i ws tryin to tell is....u cant take ne unexplaiend stuff as chamatkaar....there mite be some explanaion behind it.....people were unaware of so many phenomenas looong bak....but as time goes we explore more and things get uncovered.....there r still things dat canot be explained rt now...but there mite a solution to it smtime in da future....

 

apparently it was a ship( i found out USS Elridge) yes...and it was about attempted invisibility....witht the teleportation as a side effect.....but from what i gathered from the book, theys crewed up it was supposed to be teleportation from philadelphia to norfolk..and people did see the ship in 2 places at the same time...
but the biggest hitch, or rather the side effect was on the sailors aboard the ship..their bodies used to self- teleport when they went to sleep..talk about somnambulance.....jokes apart......
their bodies used to turn into what can be best described as spirit like state.......in which they could go throu walls etc.....but the glitch was these stages were usually accompanied by nightmares, and this state was broken by them waking...and their were reports, apparently of people being stuck and twisted & contorted win bizzare shapes, kinda fused with walls, furniture etc....
thats my 2 bits on it

 

seems lik another book has been written on it..."The Philadelphia Experiment from A-Z"..
u can read an excerpt frm da book on https://www.softwareartist.com/philexp.html

 

FROM WIKIPEDIA....
pasting it so u guys on dial up dont have to waste another minute opening a new link)


The story of the experiment

Note: This account has been criticized as highly speculative.

The experiment was allegedly conducted by one Dr. Franklin Reno (or Rinehart) as a military application of Albert Einstein's unified field theory, or "generalized theory of gravitation". The theory, briefly, postulates the interrelatedness of the forces which comprise electromagnetic radiation and gravity. Through a special application of the theory, it was thought to be possible, with specialized equipment and enough energy, to bend light around an object, rendering it essentially invisible. The Navy considered this application to be of obvious value in wartime (as the United States was engaged in World War II at the time) and approved and sponsored the experiment. A Navy destroyer, the USS Eldridge, was fitted with the required generator equipment at the Naval Yards in Philadelphia.

Testing began in the summer of 1943, and was initially successful to a limited degree. One test, on July 22, 1943, resulted in the Eldridge being rendered almost completely invisible, with some eyewitnesses reporting a "greenish fog" - however, crew members complained of serious nausea afterwards. At that point, the experiment was altered by the request of the Navy, with the new goal being invisible to radar only.

Equipment was recalibrated, and the experiment was performed again on October 28. This time, the Eldridge not only actually became almost entirely invisible to the naked eye, but actually vanished from the area entirely in a flash of blue light. Concurrent with this phenomenon, the U.S. Naval base at Norfolk, Virginia, just over 600 km away, reported sighting the Eldridge offshore for several minutes, at the end of which time the Eldridge vanished again and reappeared in Philadelphia, at the site it had originally occupied - a supposed case of accidental teleportation.

The physiological effects on the crew were profound. Almost all of the crew were violently ill. Some suffered from mental illness because of the experience - behavior conforming to schizophrenia is described in some accounts. Still other members were missing - supposedly "vanished" - and allegedly five of the crew were actually fused to the metal bulkhead or deck of the ship. Horrified, Navy officials immediately cancelled the experiment. All of the surviving crew involved were discharged; in some cases, brainwashing was used to make crew members forget about the details of their experience.
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Publication of the story

The details of this experiment were revealed to the public in a roundabout way.

Morris Jessup and Carlos Miguel Allende

In 1955, Morris K. Jessup, an amateur astronomer and former graduate-level researcher, published The Case for the UFO, an examination of the phenomenon of UFOs which contained some theorization as to the means of propulsion that flying saucer-style UFOs may use. Jessup speculated that anti-gravity and/or electromagnetism may have been responsible for the observed flight behavior of UFOs, and lamented, both in the book and the publicity tour which followed, that space flight research was concentrated in the area of rocketry, and that little attention was paid to these other theoretical means of flight, which he felt would ultimately be more fruitful.

On January 13, 1956, Jessup received a letter from a man identifying himself as "Carlos Miguel Allende". In the letter, Allende informed Jessup of the Philadelphia Experiment, alluding to poorly sourced contemporary newspaper articles as "proof". Allende also said that he had personally witnessed the Eldridge disappear and reappear while serving aboard a merchant marine ship in its vicinity, the SS Andrew Furuseth. He further named other crew with which he served aboard the Andrew Furuseth, and claimed to know of the fates of some of the crew members of the Eldridge after the experiment, including one whom he witnessed "disappear" during a chaotic fight in a bar. Jessup replied to Allende by postcard, asking for further evidence and corroboration for the story, such as dates and specific details of his fantastic story. The reply came months later; however, this time the correspondent identified himself as "Carl M. Allen". Allen said that he could not provide the details for which Jessup was asking, but implied that he might be able to recall by means of hypnosis. Jessup decided to discontinue the correspondence.
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The ONR and the Varo annotation

In the spring of 1957, Jessup was contacted by the Office of Naval Research in Washington, D.C. and requested to study the contents of a parcel that they had received. Upon arrival, a curious Jessup was astonished to find that a paperback copy of his book had been mailed to ONR in a manila envelope marked "HAPPY EASTER". Further, the book had been extensively annotated by hand in its margins, and an ONR officer asked Jessup if he had any idea as to who had done so.

The lengthy annotations were written in three different colors of ink, and appeared to detail a correspondence between three individuals, only one of which is given a name: "Jemi". The ONR labeled the other two "Mr. A" and "Mr. B". The annotators refer to each other as Gypsies, and discuss two different types of "people" living in space. Their text contained nonstandard use of capitalization and punctuation, and detailed a lengthy discussion of the merits of various suppositions that Jessup makes throughout his book, with oblique references to the Philadelphia Experiment, in a way that suggested prior or superior knowledge. (For example, "Mr. B" reassures his fellow annotators, who have highlighted a certain theory of Jessup's, "HE HAS NO KNOWLEDGE, HE COULD NOT HAVE. ONLY GUESSING." [sic])

Based on the handwriting style and subject matter, and in comparison to the earlier letters he had received, Jessup identified "Mr. A" as Carlos Allende/Carl Allen. Others have suggested that the three annotations are actually from the same person, using three pens.

Later, the ONR contacted Jessup, claiming that the return address on Allende's letter to Jessup was an abandoned farmhouse. They also informed Jessup that the Varo Corporation, a research firm, was preparing a print copy of the annotated version of The Case for the UFO, complete with both letters he had received. Numbers vary, but it appears that around 100 copies of the Varo Edition were printed and distributed within the Navy. Jessup was also sent three for his own use.

Jessup attempted to make a living writing on the topic, but his followup book did not sell well and his publisher rejected several other manuscripts. In 1958 his wife left him, and friends described him as being somewhat unstable when he travelled to New York. After returning to Florida he was involved in a serious car accident and was slow to recover, apparently increasing his despondency. Morris Jessup committed suicide in 1959.
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Later publications of the story

In 1965, Vincent Gaddis published Invisible Horizons: True Mysteries of the Sea, in which the story of the experiment from the Varo annotation is recounted.

Later, in 1977, Charles Berlitz, an author of several books on paranormal phenomena, included a chapter on the experiment in his book Without a Trace: New Information from the Triangle (though it should be noted that the experiment did not take place within the so-called Bermuda Triangle).

In 1978, a novel Thin Air by George E. Simpson and Neal R. Burger was released. This was a dramatic fictional account, clearly inspired by the foregoing works, of a conspiracy to cover-up an horrendous experiment gone wrong on board the USS Eldridge in 1943. However, a year later, Berlitz and a co-author, William L. Moore, published The Philadelphia Experiment: Project Invisibility which, though it claims to be fact, as Berlitz's previous books do, plagiarizes Thin Air.

Two movies have been released on the subject: The Philadelphia Experiment (1984) and Philadelphia Experiment II (1993). They are best described as science fiction.

In the computer game Command and Conquer: Red Alert, the Philadelphia Experiment makes a brief appearance - a cutscene shows the Eldridge disappearing, with Einstein informing the player of the "horrible aftermath" the sailors experienced. Einstein later uses the Experiment as the basis for the game's Chronosphere weapon (an Allied teleportation device).

The Experiment has been the subject of several television shows dealing with the paranormal and conspiracy theories, including The Unexplained, a series produced by Bill Kurtis on the cable television network The Arts and Entertainment Network (A&E).

Discussion and debate of the story

Detractors, skeptics, and other researchers have noted several serious issues and problems with the story of the Philadelphia Experiment.

To start with it seems difficult to put any credence in the story at all. The entirety of the story was told by a single person and no corroborating evidence has ever been offered. All of the "research" on the story since Allende's version has consisted primarily of various authors re-telling the story with liberal doses of dramatic embellishment. The best known account, Berlitz's, contains material copied from a science fiction book.

Writer Robert Goerman wrote an article for Fate Magazine in 1980, claiming that "Carlos Allende"/"Carl Allen" was in fact who he claimed to be in later letters, Carl Meredith Allen of New Kensington, Pennsylvania. Allen was a highly intelligent but nonetheless mentally ill itinerant who had likely fabricated the story of the Philadelphia Experiment as a result of his illness. Whether illness or simply a practical joke, it is difficult to consider any of his statements to be real.

 

The science is even more debatable. Einstein never fully developed his Unified Field Theory (UFT) although he worked on variations of the theme until his death in 1955. A broader understanding of fundamental physics during this period and later has shown that the line of reasoning he was following simply could not work. Unfortunately the name "Unified Field Theory" is used to describe any number of theories that are completely different in nature to Einstein's work, which somewhat confuses the issue. Nevertheless, no consistent UFT or linkage of gravity and electromagnetism has come forth. There is no known mechanism by which an electric or magnetic field of any strength can "bend" or "deflect" light or radar, which are composed of uncharged photons. The idea that the Navy would be able to build an experiment based on a nonexistent theoretical basis is therefore highly suspect.

It could be that the authors in question simply did not understand the science involved and are reporting it incorrectly. Several issues weigh against this interpretation too. The description of the system, which uses gravity to bend light around the ship, is theoretically possible, but would require a mass considerably greater than that of the Sun (which does bend light due to gravity, but only slightly - its mass does not warp space-time all that much).

The historical timeline of the story is equally suspect. The Eldridge was not commissioned until August 27, 1943, and remained in port in New York, until September. The October experiment took place while the ship was on its first shakedown cruise in the Bahamas. A reunion of veterans who served aboard the Eldridge told the Philadelphia Inquirer in April 1999, that the ship had never made port in Philadelphia [1]. (USS Eldridge's complete World War II action report, including the remarks section of the 1943 deck log is available on microfilm, item # NRS-1978-26, from the US Naval Historical Center, Washington Navy Yard, DC 20374-5060.)

The Navy has denied the entire story, of course, but this has only served to convince the conspiracy theorists that it must be true. Various reasons for a coverup are offered, everything from the technology being widely used and still top secret, to the concern that the victim's families would sue for damages.


Alternate explanations and stories

Researcher Jacques Vallee describes a procedure on board the USS Engstrom, which was docked alongside the Eldridge in 1943. The operation involved the generation of a powerful electromagnetic field on board the ship in order to degauss it, with the goal of rendering the ship undetectable - "invisible" - to magnetically triggered torpedoes and mines. Such a system was widely used during World War II, and British ships of the era often included such systems built-in on the upper decks (the conduits are still visible on the deck of the HMS Belfast in London). He speculates that this may have resulted in mistaken tales of making ships invisible by inattentive sailors. This is a known military technology still in use to protect against these torpedoes; it has no effect on visible light, or radar.

A veteran who served on board the Engstrom noted that the Eldridge could indeed have gotten from Philadelphia to Norfolk and back again in a single day at a time when merchant ships could not have - by use of the Chesapeake and Delaware Canal, which at the time was open only to Naval vessels. Use of this channel was kept quiet: German submarines had recently been ravaging east coast shipping during Operation Drumbeat, and thus miltary ships unable to protect themselves were secretly moved via canals to avoid this threat.

It should be noted that this same veteran claims to be the man whom Allende witnessed "disappear" at a bar. He claims that when the fight broke out, friendly barmaids whisked him out the back door of the bar before the police arrived, because he was underaged. They then "covered" for him by claiming that he "disappeared".

In a more speculative and strongly paranormal vein, Al Bielek and Duncan Cameron both claim to have leaped from the deck of the Eldridge while it was in "hyperspace" between Philadelphia and Norfolk, and ended up, after a period of severe disorientation, at the Air Force station Montauk Point, Long Island in the year 1983, having experienced not only teleportation but time travel. They claim John von Neumann met them there, although he is generally thought to have died in 1957. This episode is a seminal event in another alleged secret and horrific U.S. Government experiment into the paranormal known as the Montauk Project.

 

@cypher.....EXACTLY baby....when you dont know about something you cannot comment on it(i guess thats the message you wanna give me).

in olden ages fire was a chamatkar now it is not.
similarly.....what is unexplainable ia called chamatkar by ppl.

One more thing.....
do you know that it is possible for a human to vibrate in such a high rate that he can fly!!!!!

 

yo...so everythings clear finally....peace....we hav to remain skeptical to certain things.. nd think practicaly....dats wat i ws tryin to say...bout da fly thing...didnt kno dat....lemme try....
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**crash** ouch...i guess hav to try harder.....

@doc...thanx for da info.....

 

LOL.....you had to vibrate not flap....half knowleged is to dangerous dude

 

that will make him a giant vibrator ...
well female elephants and hippos will have a nice time with him ...

LOL

hey cypher dont take it seriously ...

LOL

 

@ssslayer gr8 POV there man.....LOL

 

ive heard of dis one....most magicians whu dissapear buildings like taj mahal or statue of liberty claim they can bend da light....dunno how true......but hav seen some videos by copperfield and da stuff is captured in camera as well....

@ssslayer....nahi re..chalta hai.....btw I do not enjoy da company of MEN (read male social animal) and ANIMALS (both male and female)..... :beer:

 

regarding the rama's bridge.... isn't it possible that its a natural phenomena and the story/folklore was framed based upon it ..... i think this is the only "logical" explanation possible

 

Hey this Triangle has been causing problem sice colombus days ..... Dont tell me they had scramblers in 15th century .......

And Phileledphia stuff .... heard of it ... damn intresting .... Did u know that ppl didnt know stealths existed till some country accidently shot it down...

 

hahaa ...
actually one of the stealth was shot down by the Bosnians ...
with nothing but a "small" surface to air missile ...

LOL ...
stealth is only for microwaves ... not for visible EM spectrum ...

 

@ Cypher, DrSaurabh.....here ya go...

The floating island is a part of micronesia and is called Nan Madol....which means spaces in between(referring to the interconnecting canals.

It was built around 500 AD. and it is often called venice of the east!!

Here's more info:

https://encycl.opentopia.com/term/Nan_Madol


https://www.infoslurp.com/information/Federated_States_of_Micronesia


https://www.pohnpeiheaven.com/nanmadol.htm


https://www.janeresture.com/micronesia_madol

https://www.uoregon.edu/~wsayres/NanMadol.html


cheers...!! :beer:

 

does any one know about the El Derado mystery!!