Need western notes to Carnatic music

Discussion in 'Carnatic Music of South India' started by Prodigy_, Mar 24, 2005.

  1. Prodigy_

    Prodigy_ New Member


    Iam new here, from europe. Came across this site when i searched Mahaganapathim Notes...

    I cant play carnatic "sa re ga.." in guitar, :eek::

    I love the krithis Mahaganapathim and Vathapi Ganapathim. And i would love to play that in western notes (style).

    Could somebody help me... Notes for how to play Mahaganapathim and Vathapi Ganapathim.

    I found Mahaganapathim here in this forum but..its not complete...

    Thanks in advance...
  2. jayswami

    jayswami Blue J

    ananth222 thats an interesting project for u dude.. can u tab mahaganapatim in E? and Vathapi in Eb.. those r the keys i find best for nattai and hamsaduani.
  3. ananth222

    ananth222 Beginner

    I think I've tabbed mahaganapathim without any open notes, so it can easily be transposed to any key u want.. just move ahead/back right no. of frets (or detune ;) )
    I will post the rest of mahaganapathim soon.. been a little busy.
    You can get the notes corresponding to sa re ga ma for a particular raaga for a song and use that to play it (from the sa re ga ma notation)
    for instance, nattai is a janya of chalanatta for which the notes correspond as:

    S R` G M P D` N S
    C D# E F G A# B C

    But the gamakams are important and change the way it sounds. There are lots of songs in this forum in this notation already and I'm sure more will come.
  4. Prodigy_

    Prodigy_ New Member

    OKi... Thank you.. I`ll be grateful..

    If i convert from the sa re ga ma notation without any open notes to western, will it sounds like the carnatic version ..?

    Here is the first line... Is it correct..?

    How will it be with open notes...?

    And one more question, Will this key notes match on keyboard/Synth..?
  5. ananth222

    ananth222 Beginner

    open note or fretted note doesn't make a difference (by open I meant an open string note)
    yes the notes are correct and will match on a keyboard/synth
    but if u follow the tabs the song will sound closer to carnatic (as compared to just playing the notes)
  6. jayswami

    jayswami Blue J

    one suggestion play mahaganapatim in E .. it would rock.
  7. Prodigy_

    Prodigy_ New Member

    Oki Thanks..

    I can start with notes.. until ananth222 came up with tabs...

    I hope to see it soon.. Thanks in advance ananth222 and everybody who can help...
  8. hemum

    hemum New Member

    one more tablature for mahaganapatim

    I'm not aware of swaramsthanams(aarohanam etc concepts) in carnatic music or chords in western but i was just fooling around with this song. I came up with something that sounded like mahaganapatim. Please try this tablature and see if it works.
    There are lots of mistakes in this. so please excuse me if i messed it up real bad. I'm hoping to get an improvised version.


    H : hammer
    P : pull


    Play this thrice:

    Mahaganapatim manasa smarami


    maha devasutam..................

  9. Sastry

    Sastry New Member

    I play "VARA VEENA MRUDHU PANI" with A as a open note (Sa). If interested, i can post the whole song along with the equivalent Carnatic & Western notes. I use onlt the Second String for all my 7 notes.
  10. thudzer

    thudzer New Member

    'mahaganapathim' is set in the rag 'natta' and the route is something like this

    i)tonic note (sa)

    ii) mediant flat (re) This is a 'tricky' Re.. touching the komal Ga. in theory, a quarter note less than the mediant flat. The real karnatic name will be "Chathur-shruti Rishabham"

    iii) mediant (ga)

    iv) subdominant(ma)

    v) dominant(pa)

    vi) leading note flat(dha). this dha is rarely used in the typical "natta" rag route

    vii) leading note (ni)

    e.g. If you are playing for C scale (C as the tonic note), then the Natta route will be like
    Arohanam: C Eflat E F G Bflat B C
    Avarohanam: C B G F E F Eflat C
    But the typical movement of Natta omits the Bflat (rarely used)

    Most of the times the Eflat is played as a slide from C--Eflat (do a double slide whenever necessary!)

    similarly, the slide from G-B is also executed to give the 'color' of 'Natta' rag

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