# Help: Minor Scales-modes

Discussion in 'Beginner's Q&A Forum' started by Quadrophenia, Nov 30, 2005.

hey there..ive been learning my scales.. and i know how to relate the major scale to the major modes..ionian,dorian,phrygian etc etc..

i want to know the difference between

minor
melodic minor
Harmonic minor

(difference is available on the web i'm sure its the interval difference)

my main question is.. are there modes to minor scales if so what are they called?, are they the saem as major scale but in a different order? how does it work?
Could someone pelase give me the pattern to these Scales (in a link)

Also i want to know the difference between: CAGED system and Three notes per String System..it isnt obvious to me.. :

Thanx a mill...

hey

i learnt this from a book called 'playing the guitar' so i cant post the link [if u get the book buy it at whatever cost]

C natural minor: C D Eb F G Ab Bb C
C melodic minor: C D Eb F G A B C
C harmonic minor: C D Eb F G Ab B C

dunno if i understand ur question properly....

even if u take all the notes of a major scale, its the step pattern of the notes that determine whether the mode is major/minor -- the modes are not automatically major modes just bcos its a major scale

so take these basic modes

ionian : C D E F G A B C
dorian : D E F G A B C D
phrygian: E F G A B C D E
lydian: F G A B C D E F
mixolydian: G A B C D E F G
aeolian: A B C D E F G A
locrian: B C D E F G A B

now transpose them all to the key of C and the differences become clear

ionian : C D E F G A B C
this is a major mode [obviously]

dorian : C D Eb F G A Bb C
this is a minor mode bcos of the step pattern - play it with minor chord progressions like Im, IIm, III, IV, Vm, VII

phrygian: C Db Eb F G Ab Bb C
minor mode

lydian: C D E F# G A B C
major mode

mixolydian: C D E F G A Bb C
major mode [most common in blues & jazz]

aeolian: C D Eb F G Ab Bb C
minor mode

locrian: C Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C
doesnt fit into major/minor bcos of all the flat notes - has an oriental feel

it took me ages to figure this out but i hope it helps u faster

i think u want to know the difference between CAGED and triads i.e. three-note-at-one-time
[three-note-on-one-string is a way of playing scales to improve your fingering ]

triads are a way to form chords - there are 4 basic triads [lets take key of C]
C major: play 1st, 3rd, 5th note [C E G]
C minor: play 1st, b3rd, 5th notes [C Eb G]
C augmented: play 1st, 3rd, #5th [C E G#]
C diminished: play 1st, b3rd, b5th [C Eb Gb]

CAGED is another way to form chords by basically shifting the 5 basic open chord shapes up/down the neck -- the chord shapes r -- u guessed it -- C, A, G, E and D -- thats all there is to it

http://www.tonydesmarteau.com/caged.htm
http://jeffcovey.net/music/guitar/caged.html
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/scales/scale_shapes_in_caged_system.html
http://www.cyberfret.com/scales/major-caged/index.php

hth

hey there thanx for the prompt reply..but i think uve lost me..when u said major modes are necessarily for major scales only.
how did u transpose them to a different key?
what would the pattern look like..i'm confused now help!

no no major modes are not _FOR_ major scales --- major modes _ARE_ major scales.... they represent an alternative to the common major scales

same way, minor modes are an alternative to common minor scales

also i had already transposed them for u -- i am repeating it below again

dorian : D E F G A B C D [in the key of D]
dorian : C D Eb F G A Bb C [transposed to key of C]

phrygian: E F G A B C D E [in the key of E]
phrygian: C Db Eb F G Ab Bb C [transposed to key of C]

lydian: F G A B C D E F [in the key of F]
lydian: C D E F# G A B C [transposed to key of C]

mixolydian: G A B C D E F G [in the key of G]
mixolydian: C D E F G A Bb C [transposed to key of C]

aeolian: A B C D E F G A [in the key of A]
aeolian: C D Eb F G Ab Bb C [transposed to key of C]

locrian: B C D E F G A B [in the key of B]
locrian: C Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C [transposed to key of C]