Help: Minor Scales-modes

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  1. Quadrophenia

    Quadrophenia New Member

    hey there..ive been learning my scales.. and i know how to relate the major scale to the major modes..ionian,dorian,phrygian etc etc..

    i want to know the difference between

    minor
    melodic minor
    Harmonic minor

    (difference is available on the web i'm sure its the interval difference)

    my main question is.. are there modes to minor scales if so what are they called?, are they the saem as major scale but in a different order? how does it work?
    Could someone pelase give me the pattern to these Scales (in a link)

    Also i want to know the difference between: CAGED system and Three notes per String System..it isnt obvious to me.. :eek::

    Thanx a mill... ;)
     
  2. zing

    zing Machine Head

    hey

    i learnt this from a book called 'playing the guitar' so i cant post the link [if u get the book buy it at whatever cost]

    C natural minor: C D Eb F G Ab Bb C
    C melodic minor: C D Eb F G A B C
    C harmonic minor: C D Eb F G Ab B C

    dunno if i understand ur question properly....

    even if u take all the notes of a major scale, its the step pattern of the notes that determine whether the mode is major/minor -- the modes are not automatically major modes just bcos its a major scale

    so take these basic modes

    ionian : C D E F G A B C
    dorian : D E F G A B C D
    phrygian: E F G A B C D E
    lydian: F G A B C D E F
    mixolydian: G A B C D E F G
    aeolian: A B C D E F G A
    locrian: B C D E F G A B

    now transpose them all to the key of C and the differences become clear

    ionian : C D E F G A B C
    this is a major mode [obviously]

    dorian : C D Eb F G A Bb C
    this is a minor mode bcos of the step pattern - play it with minor chord progressions like Im, IIm, III, IV, Vm, VII

    phrygian: C Db Eb F G Ab Bb C
    minor mode

    lydian: C D E F# G A B C
    major mode

    mixolydian: C D E F G A Bb C
    major mode [most common in blues & jazz]

    aeolian: C D Eb F G Ab Bb C
    minor mode

    locrian: C Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C
    doesnt fit into major/minor bcos of all the flat notes - has an oriental feel

    it took me ages to figure this out but i hope it helps u faster :)

    i think u want to know the difference between CAGED and triads i.e. three-note-at-one-time
    [three-note-on-one-string is a way of playing scales to improve your fingering ]

    triads are a way to form chords - there are 4 basic triads [lets take key of C]
    C major: play 1st, 3rd, 5th note [C E G]
    C minor: play 1st, b3rd, 5th notes [C Eb G]
    C augmented: play 1st, 3rd, #5th [C E G#]
    C diminished: play 1st, b3rd, b5th [C Eb Gb]


    CAGED is another way to form chords by basically shifting the 5 basic open chord shapes up/down the neck -- the chord shapes r -- u guessed it -- C, A, G, E and D -- thats all there is to it

    see also

    http://www.tonydesmarteau.com/caged.htm
    http://jeffcovey.net/music/guitar/caged.html
    http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/lessons/scales/scale_shapes_in_caged_system.html
    http://www.cyberfret.com/scales/major-caged/index.php


    hth
     
  3. Quadrophenia

    Quadrophenia New Member

    hey there thanx for the prompt reply..but i think uve lost me..when u said major modes are necessarily for major scales only.
    how did u transpose them to a different key?
    what would the pattern look like..i'm confused now :( help!
     
  4. zing

    zing Machine Head

    no no major modes are not _FOR_ major scales --- major modes _ARE_ major scales.... they represent an alternative to the common major scales

    same way, minor modes are an alternative to common minor scales

    also i had already transposed them for u -- i am repeating it below again

    dorian : D E F G A B C D [in the key of D]
    dorian : C D Eb F G A Bb C [transposed to key of C]

    phrygian: E F G A B C D E [in the key of E]
    phrygian: C Db Eb F G Ab Bb C [transposed to key of C]

    lydian: F G A B C D E F [in the key of F]
    lydian: C D E F# G A B C [transposed to key of C]

    mixolydian: G A B C D E F G [in the key of G]
    mixolydian: C D E F G A Bb C [transposed to key of C]

    aeolian: A B C D E F G A [in the key of A]
    aeolian: C D Eb F G Ab Bb C [transposed to key of C]

    locrian: B C D E F G A B [in the key of B]
    locrian: C Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C [transposed to key of C]
     
  5. Quadrophenia

    Quadrophenia New Member

    thanx dude..i think i will have to work on it on my own..just dont have time to go through material have u got any links on it..if u do please do lemme know..appreciate you helping me out will get back to you when i know soem more!
    :D
     

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