Ye dard bhara afsaana sunn le bedard zamana : THE TRUE TRAGIC STORY

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Anything that happens, happens.
Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen.
Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again.
It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though.

 

No. I say you're a puppet. I don't mention whose puppet.


And considering that you've neither acknowledged what I've explained nor contested it, I take your silence as ignorance.

 

totally agree wid u bjr

and i've seen loads more puppets on iGT

i lyk ur term ==>>>> PUPPETS

 

Stop posting idiotic post Apple Singh

Apple singh you are the best in the world but stop posting such post about
me, OK .

And Bjr you want to know why I am not posting anything. Is is due to
some idiotic posts posted here by some idiots.

These forum provide us oppertunity to discuss our problem with each other
while most of you use it to pass comments upon each other, when you do
so usefullness of such discussion ends and only argument remain and it is
useless to take part in it .

And yes when I make that mistake I don't know much about chords and I
believe that the chords posted by others are correct and I follow them as it
is .

And those who say there is a small differance between major and minor
chords try this - ( This is correct chords )

Em>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
thoda ruk jaayegi to tera kya jaayega

D>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
nain bhar ke dekh loon to chaain aa jaayega

Now try this -

G>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
thoda ruk jaayegi to tera kya jaayega

D>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
nain bhar ke dekh loon to chaain aa jaayega

And see the difference , when you select first chord wrong the second chord
that is correct also looks wrong , thats why it is requeried to get the correct
scale Major or Minor .

Bjr Puppet looks like your favuorite word right , then instead of posting same
lines again and again post some useful thing for this puppet ( its me ).

However there are some useful posts too here mainly by Keorof , A_Jain and
Babu sona .

Just check the scale of song Dard mein bhi ye labb muskura jaate hai from
the movie the train and you know why he asks you to post the scale of this
song .

MusicmanPKR do you want me to make comments against you , I hope not.
Thats why I am not posting anything here.
The metter is settled between us and some of the guys who posts later
still wants that we make comments about each other thats why they are
posting such posts , so its my request please don't post anything here .

 

Ouch. Someone's hit someones nerve. But my good fellow, dont you think it's extremely obvious that it doesnt sound the same? Like, I haven't heard the song, but just strumming Em-D and then G-D changes the whole mood -_-

Keoraf always, always, always posts useful stuff -_-
Edit - Speaking of which, Apple Singh is even less helpful than, say, bjr in his last post XD

 

Thank you so much for appreciating my posted stuff!!!
I'm really honoured Ultrabot90, wooow (lol) !!!

 

damn, i missed this post the last time around.


Did I not say exactly what you said considering that I never once said that the two scales were the same? I only said that the set of chords remains the same because they are but modes of each other (which you agreed with). After this I said that once this is done, you have to use your ear which you also said.


And I also managed to miss what someone said about me not knowing the difference between G major and Em(I can't for the life of me imagine why they keep talking about the chord when I was talking about the scale).


Fair enuff, I admit there are times when I don't. Are you sure you know the difference?

Say for example, I decide to extend the chords. Instead of Em, I add a harmony and play Em7. Creative license.

Em7- E G B D

G B D- G major

Em7- G major with an E bass

so a person can play G major while his bass guy is hitting the E note and voila!

A G major 6th is also an E minor 7th. The root note, in a lot of songs, is delibrately ambigous and I wouldn't bet on always being able to identify.

I don't think I have a lot more to say on the issue. What help could you possibly expect on an online forum in a situation where you have to develop your ear a little by listening to a lot of music and playing a lot of music? It's like asking for help with speed but refusing to do excercises.

My first post was useful. I made it easier for you by telling you that if you could narrow it down to either of 2 scales (which are the same in terms of notes but different in terms of feel), you can at least pick your chords out by listening carefully. If you expect to be handed the chords on a platter, you would do well to realize that you don't get anywhere in music without paying your dues. The person who wrote the chords down for you paid his.

ultrabot: Not that I feel the need to defend myself but I do tend to avoid getting into tips/agony aunt situations when I have about half an hour online and a lot of correspondence to deal with.

 

First i like to say vinayak that the post
"Kahan raja bhoj kahan gangu teli ( V. I. )" is not about you it is about my
cousin vinni she thinks that she knows everything about music while in
reality she is begginer (who knows she is also present in the forum and
posting against me to show her knowledge ).

Agreed that my posts are not useful ( ultrabot jyada khush hone ki jarurat
nahi hai vinayak ne mera naam likha hai par next in the list is you and bjr
who post useless post) but tell me who is the one to start all this it is Bjr
( the puppet girl ) in my post NO. 18 here on page two i tell you to post
some useful theories about music but it is bjr who starts all these think so
how can you blame me alone .

And ( Puppet girl ) the question is not about creativity that you can use
Em7 in place of G major or Em but the main thing is that which chords is
used in the song .

Suppose a song contains a lines twice back to back -

First time suppose it contains -
Am and C chord .........................

and the next time it contains -
Am and Am7 chord ......................

if you don't listen the song carefully how can you know which chord is used
in which place.

The give a new name to such theories Puppet girl theory ( fool proof ).

Does it means that you can use anything in place of the chord used in the
song ( what a creativity ) seems like you have more knowledge then those
well known music directors .

If anyone of you still feel you have better knowledge
( mainly for bjr , ultrabot , vinayak etc .)then me , send me a
PM otherwise shut your mouth .

 

oh dear god, I'm not going to repeat myself more than thrice.

well, really! I don't know what to say to this.

Out of curiousity, how would you define creativity?

 

So what do you think bjr?

Jozko?

 

yes. I'd bet points on it if I had any.

 

Hey Bjr and Apple singh don't fight with each other as both of you are right.
Confused ?

Well Bjr is correct, Suppose you listen a song long ago then it is possible
that you don't remind the correct chords ( origionally used in the song )
then you can use all your imagination + creativity to play the chords , lots
of old songs also don't have chords in the background you can use your
creativity there also , recently ( 1st of this month ) I do so, as our batch is
on picnik and someone their want to sing a song " Dheere dheere chori chori
jab bhi andhera chaaye " and I don't hear it before , I just ask her to first
sing this song roughly that I get some idea about the song, and try to play
chords according to the notes ( you can say it creativity ).

As I don't know the origional chords I just use chords that is according to
me is correct , don't know it is used in the origional song or
not.

because when you don't know the origional chords you can
use your imagination and thats the truth.

On the other hand Apple singh is also correct as I feel the
best chords are those, used in the song itself , it doesn't
matter according to you it is tough to play or sounds not as
good as your chord ( that you use ).

You can apply chords by two types -
1 - First based on foreground ( based on what singer is
sing'ng ) .
2 - Second based on background ( based on background
music that contains base guitar etc. )

And atleast I feel that second method is the best .

Just listen the song Kehna hay kehna hay from
movie - Padosan , in this song's line tumhi to laayi ho jeevan
mein mere pyar pyar pyar , word pyar pyar pyar contains 3
different chords in the background thats why I feel chords
based on background add melody to song .

And you cann't use C7 in place of C or Am etc. , it is true
that there is very little difference between C and Am but
even these small differences adds melody to the song .

To support my post just check the chords present in the
forum most some of them use 7th chord after same major
chord.

i.e -
F7 followed by F or C followed by C7 just because these
chords are used in the song no matter if only single note
is different between major and 7th chord.
So you cann't replace one chord with another .

Thats why I resepect those who post the chords based on
background and not based on foreground, as it is background
that adds melody.

 

The fight (if you can call it that) was never on whose method was better....I just pointed out that what I said was quite valid. There can be no question that it is better to be able to play the chords as they are played in the song.


The method that you speak of is definitely very helpful....to follow the bassline and figure out the chords but you should keep in mind that the bass might not always be playing the root note of the chord. Take for example the chords-

A|Bm|A|D

The bassline here would most likely be A|B|C#|D

However the C# just accents upon the descending nature of the bassline and A/C# is the voicing of the A chord in this case. Just an example.



Also, adding the 7th was just an example of adding an extra harmony to the song. However, you have to keep in mind that you cannot change the family of the chord. eg- an F7 after F would be a delibrate change in the family so using F7 in place of F would be out of the question. However, playing an F Major7th and then an F7th will give you a nice dissonant sound since you're just shifting one note and is common.

In terms of families, you can broadly classify the chord into a major, minor or dom7th family (I'm not sure whether diminished/augmented are different families) and you should try and stick to within the family even when you're tweaking the chord a little.

 

addressed to no one in particular: And as to the question of whether playing a song differently constitutes creativity, check out Jayswami's "No such thing version" of the Dil Chahta Hai song Kaisi hai ye ruth.

 

and no, I was never confused as to who was right. I just mantained that I was not wrong.

 

Bjr you say that you are not going to repeat yourself more than thrice ,
on the other hand you post 3 posts back to back .

However for a change , I totally agree with you Bjr , we are not fighting we
are just discussing the matter .
" Ab hum loagon ke discusson ka tareeka hi aisa he ki koi kya kare "

Just one point Bjr -

Em 7th and G 6th chord sounds simlar or not .
Hear both the chords of your own and tell me .

 

my bad. in my defense though, it was a 3rd person I repeated myself too.

I'm not saying the two will sound the same. However, the same chord with a different voicing will not sound the same as the original chord either. Would you really differentiate between the two. Take the diminished chord for example. F# dim, A dim, C dim and Eb dim have the same notes with the only difference being the root. However, you can quite safely play one in place of the other and not sound wrong.

My point is that chords, in general, are substitutable. You could play either of the two in the same situation depending on certain factors....perhaps your mood being the biggest factor of all. It depends on more than just the name. It depends on the voicing, what you played before the chord and what you're going to play after the chord. This concept will not really be applicable when you're playing hardcore rock music but is used in most other genres.

This is why the same jazz standards have been played for decades yet you see a different colour in every version. That is probably where you see this concept most prominently visible.

 

Thank god atleast you agree with me BJR

I'm not saying the two will sound the same. However, the same chord with a different voicing will not sound the same as the original chord either. Would you really differentiate between the two. Take the diminished chord for example. F# dim, A dim, C dim and Eb dim have the same notes with the only difference being the root. However, you can quite safely play one in place of the other and not sound wrong.

My point is that chords, in general, are substitutable. You could play either of the two in the same situation depending on certain factors....perhaps your mood being the biggest factor of all. It depends on more than just the name. It depends on the voicing, what you played before the chord and what you're going to play after the chord. This concept will not really be applicable when you're playing hardcore rock music but is used in most other genres.

This is why the same jazz standards have been played for decades yet you see a different colour in every version. That is probably where you see this concept most prominently visible.

But Bjr then according to your theory all the chords posted here are correct.
Ok leave it just tell me what is the correct scale of song darde disco
according to you . A funny poll is going on in this topic ( i call it funny
because someone wants others opinion to post the chords , Bolo what a
fun ) comment here or there , anywhere , who cares .

Just tell me the correct chords used in the line wo haseena wo neelam pari.
If you are able to post .


*********************Bolo What a fun**********************

 

oh, this post?

No. Just that you have the license to substitute chords.

Say for example...a song by Evanescence that seems a little controversial in the chord-

The intro, according to most tabs I've seen, is

A % % %|C#m %%%|

whereas to my mind it is clearly

A%%%|AM7/C# %%%|

However, even if I'm playing a C#m, I'm not sounding off since the notes are largely the same.

 

hah tough luck m8

words of ummmm...advice

b4 believing the 100% accuracy of the chords, put an effort into reading feedbacks on the post, i think even the most foolish of ppl on mars can make out whether the chords are 100% accurate or not by reading the related comments.