where do you see our software scene in future? & will we ever have a hard ware scene?

Discussion in 'Computer Forum' started by jamhead, Mar 28, 2005.

  1. jamhead

    jamhead Unknown Legend

    state all you have to say about those two questions.

    will we have many bangalores? lots of infys ???? will our homegrown s/w companies ever become big enough to totally check the damned brain drain to silicon valley ?

    wont we ever have product companies in s/w (except Iflex) ????


    and what prevents us with having even a little bit of hard ware sector ?
    the technology should be indian, else it dont count. so texas instruments making stuff in their b'lore lab isnt good enough.

    i mean like a Bose.. here in india itself. when will we have those and why dont we have them yet? whats the bottle neck ? what do the usa's and japans and germanys and koreas do different ??


    discuss, disect and describe future possibilities.
     
  2. zoomingrocket

    zoomingrocket TeChNiCaL AdMiNiStRaToR

    Brain drain in Silicon valley??? Mate, the software industry in India is on the most peakest of all times...
    Its not the question of many companies... but its quality output of the software which is important!
    There are thousands of companies in India which roll out customised softwares for their clients...but they dont need to be as big as Infosys!

    India never has been a software product launcher! You would hardly find any! We are specialist in rolling out the customised software required by the clients!
    Thats wat infosys does....maximum customised Banking Applications for major Banks across the Globe!
    Then there is Wipro, HCL... all these companies are famous for the quality of customised software!

    Hardware is something which requires lot of cheap raw material and precision to manufacture! India has taxing regimes which need to be relaxed for this to flourish!
    Moreover, the Electricity supply needed to be upfront for such industries, which our Governments cant guarantee!
    Last year itself, Intel was invited to launch a Chip-Manufacturing plant... but there Chief wanted only one assurance... NO POWER OUTAGE! Which, i dont think is possible as of now!
    Thats why India has been a flourishing ground for R&D! We have strong thinkers/scientists and great RAW talent which is used to design all the circuits/chips! But manufactured somewhere in China as its having the cheapest RAW materials for manufacturing Hardware!
    But many companies are slowly rolling in... Like NOKIA is setting up a factory and we would have mobiles from that factory in late 2005!

    INFRASTRUCTURE is the key to manufacture quality products! US, JAPAN, GERMANY are developed countries!
    Thats why India is still called a developing nation!
    We dont have the essential infrastructure available to common a man in abundance! But yes, situation is definately improving!

    REgards,
    Zooom..!!
     
  3. Mudit Malhotra

    Mudit Malhotra BLOODY FINGERED

    Wait till 2 0 0 8

    man all i can say now is u jus wait till 2008 or may b 10
    everythin will b outa India
    will explain you laters(in hurry now)
    k so plan watever u want but keep my words in mind
    even i m plannin for mca
    but ....... its a risky venture (risky 3 yrs )
    Mudit
     
  4. jamhead

    jamhead Unknown Legend

    ty zoom for your insights and comments. now let me clarify a few things.

    a healthy percentage of the qualified s/w engineers that india produces end up slogging ther asses off for western companies like oracle and MS, helpng them keep up their lead and global dominance. i'd (infact india would) much rather that they were employed here in india itself by indian companies and helped those indian companies to slowly close the gap with the global leaders. thats what i meant by the brain drain to silicon valley. india doesnt produce s/w engineers or any other kind of qualified personnel to help the usa's and germany's to hold on to their lead do their leads, does india?

    i had asked if this trend was going to stop anytme soon.


    and india does have a s/w product launcher. called Iflex. heralded by none less than Time magazine as the torch bearer of the next generaton of indian s/w companies. it just sucks that indians help MS, Cisco and lots of others to come up with new products and packages, but themselves have not a single product company bar one. i asked if we'd see more I-flex-es on the horizon soon.


    while talkng about hardware you mentioned the reasons why intel and others avoid comming to india. supposng those factors werent there and intel did come it still would'nt help one bit. cos intel aint an indan company!! i had categorcally stated that instances such as TMS setting their lab in b'lore dont count. i was again talking about indian comopanies making their own patented h/w products a la intel and bell labs. intel's famous Pentium was developed with the sterling contribution of the group leader of the research team, a certain Vinod Dham. and he was only one of the many indians who have in many not very humble ways helped non indian companies come up with new products and make path breaking research. When will vinod dhams develop products for indian companies here in india itself ?? supposing electricity and the other factors that you pointed out are sorted out, will we start having our own HOMEGROWN h/w companies ? that was my question. that how come we despite having the best of scientists and engineers in the planet have not a single hi tech h/w company? nokia setting up factories is no good. when will an indian company start making phones and challenge the nokias and erricssons? and what, besides lack of infrastructural facilities, are preventing us from having those?

    you rightly pointed out about the high quality r&d that goes on in inda. so how come that dont get translated into an indegenous hitech private sector? us doing r&d for apple and motorola aint any good. cos they'll just use our r&d to come up with yet another product, patent it, and sell it across the globe including india, and make money out of our contributions !!!


    once the infrastructure probs are gone, will be have a strong home grown h/w private sector? or are there other factors that need adressing too ??


    regards,

    jamhead.
     
  5. jamhead

    jamhead Unknown Legend

    hi mudit.

    we are eagerly awaiting some points from you to back your statement that "everything will be outa india" by 2010 or so.

    dont hold anything back.
     
  6. Mudit Malhotra

    Mudit Malhotra BLOODY FINGERED

    Everythin will be outa India

    well guys i m sayin this b`coz china is emerging as a real big competetor of India, china was laggin behind and
    the chinese empror gave deadline of 10 yrs in 1998 to flood s/w market and frnds china always completes their work within specified time limit so i thionk may be India wont b drained of all s.w giants but we`ll face a big slag
    well i wish that it dosent happenes but to beat chinese is real tough
    chinese hav emerged like anythin in everyfield
    i wish its always sunrise for s/w market in India

    Waiting for comments on my assumptions

    WISH INDIA A GOOL LUCK

    :think:
     
  7. Mudit Malhotra

    Mudit Malhotra BLOODY FINGERED

    Sorry For Repetition But Color Suqed

    well guys i m sayin this b`coz china is emerging as a real big competetor of India, china was laggin behind and
    the chinese empror gave deadline of 10 yrs in 1998 to flood s/w market and frnds china always completes their work within specified time limit so i thionk may be India wont b drained of all s.w giants but we`ll face a big slag
    well i wish that it dosent happenes but to beat chinese is real tough
    chinese hav emerged like anythin in everyfield
    i wish its always sunrise for s/w market in India

    Waiting for comments on my assumptions
    WISH INDIA A GOOL LUCK
     
  8. jamhead

    jamhead Unknown Legend

    i cant comment on your assumptions, but i think i'll join you in wishing india a gool luck, whilst hoping that the chinese emperor/empire/umpire* dies a quick death.


    *> recent posts at IGT have left me confused about which is which. see "india pakistan series" thread.
     
  9. jamhead

    jamhead Unknown Legend

    i dont believe no one else has replied yet !!!

    hasnt anyone anything to say about the indian tech (s/w and h/w) industry???????


    come on..............
     
  10. ananth222

    ananth222 Beginner

    the posts r too big and I don't have the patience to read them
    I worked in infy for 2 yrs and I know how ****ty that company is
    the kind of "software" work done in India is very menial stuff that will be automated sooner or later.
    India is makign an impact in the SERVICES industry not the SOFTWARE industry.
    If you want to make a real impact in software then learn about real software processes and come up with some products worth their salt. conning japanese and american companies to giving you money for basic number crunching applications like infy is not really the way to go.
     
  11. jamhead

    jamhead Unknown Legend

    IGT members who have worked in the s/w industry in india or abroad, or are in any other way in the know of the s/w scene, do you agree or disagree with him ?


    @ananth, what about your take on the H/W sector ?
     
  12. Mudit Malhotra

    Mudit Malhotra BLOODY FINGERED

    Thses S/w Companies

    I totally agree with ananth man these s/w companies take hell outa thr employees. My bro is in IBM according to him and his collegues they get BALAATKAARED(raped) everyday. Ibm stiill pays a reasonable amount but INFY o man it suz bhai they dont even pay enugh to freshers or those who r in company for like 1 yr ..... ufffff man it really looks luring to get a s/w job but its not easy



    and dude the hardware scene is ever booming but it is really hectic if u r goin in h/w line forget that u`ll hav office with ac room and push back chair u`ll hav to on ir feets to go here n thr same is case in networkin line

    Mudit
     
  13. nadish

    nadish Active Member

    Nothing left to say after zooming rocket's longgggggggg speech... :)
     
  14. nnshinde

    nnshinde New Member

    may be India has potential to emerge as s/w industry rather than service....

    we are at the stage where we are more focussing on repairing the cars and having garage rather than having car manufacturing plant....
    i thnk big companys like infy and others should try doing this...but as an indian many of us always wants to play safe game....

    what if we can able to shift from proprietry s/f to open source and free s/w...
    am i shifting from thread?
     
  15. ronnieanand

    ronnieanand n00bier th@n th0u

    Indians dont have enough Discipline that requires to make them a leader. That's why we are happy contending in the services sector. It requires a whole attitude change for us to become leaders in the product segment. Just check out the productivity of an average American Engineer v/s an Indian Engineer. There's heaven and hell difference. US is a capitalist country and everybody has capitalism and professionalism in their mind. We are democratic, trying to be capitalistic and all confused west aping. We need to revamp on a lot of things. I agree a lot of Indians in the US are in top positions. See if they work the same way as they do here.
     

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