What should be the ideal settings for the EQ at MIXER?

Hi,

I wonder why the vocals dont sound as good or the guitar tone is not the same while playing live , as it were in the jamming session.So what should be the ideal settings for vocals and guitars at the mixer?

 

I've read somewhere that if you are going processor to PA the mids should be high....not entirely sure though..

 

Possibly because of differences in amp/cab combinations...or the accoustics of the environment...or both. :think:

 

Both are almost equally influential. Alpha1 might be able to help you out here.

 

yeah PA systems are quite different from our amps....wanted to improve this situation somehow by tweaking at the mixer...or some other options??

 

no ideal setting.

Its all - use your ears and play around thingie

 

^I guess that's what a sound check is for...

Why alpha1 in particular? :think:

 

i thought since we generally make a U for guitars in the frequency spectrum.....so there must be some traditional curve for vocals too!

 

You don't generally make a U for guitars, do you? That means you're scooping the mids right?

@ultrabot_90: You've been around long enough, you should know.

 

Well for vocals, you can add 3kHz band for more sharp and clear vocals, and 7kHz or 12kHz for the breathiness(forgot which one)

There was one (or perhaps more) thread posted by me, where I had copy pasted some stuff from web.

There were diff freq band listed for diff instruments and vocals for enhancing the recordings.

 

alpha dude....i cant find ur thread on this...maybe the topic was different..
btw i stumbled upon ur other threads like n00bdom which i missed earlier...was hell lot of fun to read...oolololoooolollROxXox

@thehundredthone :u got me on that...not always but sometimes on dirty sounds sounds...

 

Here's a link cryptic_angel posted a long time ago.

Here's a link alpha1 posted a long time ago.

This place was so much fun and informative when you were a regular, alpha1. Sniff.

 

thanks..the links are cool..
any gyan on the mid scooped sound u were about to throw at me before i defended myself?

 

I deliberately didn't throw anything because I wasn't sure myself, hence the open question.

Scooped mids have (IMHO) a tighter sound, what alpha1 probably calls the modern voicing. Normal mids have a more warm (?) soundwhich he probably calls the classic voicing.

Alpha1 once said that the pickup's raw output is rich in mids and poor in everything else. The amp compensates for this. He said to see what the pickup actually sounds like, turn the mids to full and bass+treble to 0. That is the pickups native output.

So there is no general setting for guitars, you may want to scoop mids for Master of Puppets, and mid-hump for Comfortably Numb. That's what I (think) I know.

 

Can anyone here list out clearly what their questions in this regard are?

 

1. How best to match up live and jamming sound. Or rather how to reproduce jam-room tones on stage.

2. Typical equaliser settings for vocals and guitars.

 

^^^exactly.....we are all ears

 

1. Not possible in reality. The jam room tones sound that way not just because of EQ, but also becuase of the closed room, the walls of which reflect the sound waves, and the different objects that absorb the sound waves selectively.

In live settings, if its a closed auditorium, you can still hope of getting similar to jam room tones, but open locations have the different acoustics.

I guess its more than a question of just EQ.


2. Typical EQ for vocals and guitars. :-s Thats again a difficult question to answer. I guess I'll havta search for the thread I created (or my alter ego).

 

true.....but sometimes when i play specific tones on stage...they are way too distorted to have any musical significance and very unpleasing...while they were good during jams...and i had to reduce the gain and treble...then the sound characteristics changes completely....leaving me no options

i figured that could be due to poor PA systems...but then maybe i was wrong somewhere?

 

It's very possible. What amp do you play at jams? And your live venue probably has MG100s. Different amps have different frequency responses. If they're going straight to PA then you will have an even more different tone.