What are patches..

Discussion in 'Guitar Gear Talk Forum' started by born2tab, Jan 16, 2007.

  1. thehundredthone

    thehundredthone Well-Known Member

    Because we can't afford better, and couldn't think of anything else at the time?
     
  2. Double Click

    Double Click New Member

    The stompboxes from Digitech/Boss start at 2K.... They are waaaaay better than those shitty Zoom 505/707 types.
     
  3. thehundredthone

    thehundredthone Well-Known Member

    I'm playing through hi-fi speakers. Need I say more?
    Plus I bought this really really cheap. (around 1/2 price)
     
  4. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    Dude - I heard your clips.
    There are two problems:

    1. Voicing.
    2. Harshness.

    1. Whats happenig is that you are trying to reduce the mids in order to get the "scooped-mid" tone. And thats what your processor is exactly doing - its removing the mids - making teh tone thin.

    In actual amps, whay happens is that even if you scoop out all teh mids - there is still a sizable quantity of higher mids or lower mids (depeending on voicing) still left in the signal.

    That gives the beef to the tone. So even thought the tone sounds scoopedf middy, it is very beefy and full.


    Solution: Choose an amp sim with more natural voicing/tone.
    I dunno about Zoom buyt I can give you excellent exampl of Korg.
    Korg has three-four main amp sims for hi-gain stuff.
    Metal and UsHi-gain are the two "heaviest" of them.

    Given natural course, a peron would use Metal for creating Metal patches :p: But LOL if you use USHi-Gain - with all the same settings, you get a whole new meaning to the term - "thick tone".

    If thats not possible - then increase teh mids. :phbbt: You can't help it.


    2. Harshness.
    No solution to it. This is a problem with all "low-end" digital processors. Thought I dont have any fixed definition for low-end in processors.
    Mebbe changing the amp model might solve the problem, reducing the gain might also reduce it.
     
  5. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    1 more thing - how did you record this?
     
  6. thehundredthone

    thehundredthone Well-Known Member

    I recorded straight through line in -> audacity. No post-processing.

    I don't care much for scooping the mids. I generally set the mids only a little higher/lower than the high. For a thrashier patch I would set the treble and tone higher but I don't cut the mids. It's more of a problem with the lows wherein there is a humming when I palm mute the 6th string.

    Also the sound is muddy. Probably it's the pickups, but I can't do anything about those for a while to come.

    Neither has an amp model. I'll play around with them to see what I can get.
     
  7. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

  8. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    The humming thignie is beacause you are usign a full range speaker.

    Normally guitar speakers cut off all frequencies below 80Hz.
     
  9. TheDevil

    TheDevil Ruler of Hell

    ^^Wht did u do Alpha, equed it or what ?
     
  10. .:SpY_GaMe:.

    .:SpY_GaMe:. New Member

    how the fck do i download the attachments? my firefox stops working when i do so....
     
  11. thehundredthone

    thehundredthone Well-Known Member

    ^^ It's not worth downloading anyway.

    But make sure your default for .pdf is not to open it.
    Tools->Options->Content->Manage (last button) and change .pdf file options to "save to my computer". The adobe reader plugin does that.

    @alpha1: Will give it a listen. I don't know what the terms muddy etc actually mean, I went by what I thought it sounded like. Point me to some muddy tones if you please :)
     
  12. thehundredthone

    thehundredthone Well-Known Member

    Well definitely less scratchy. Maybe I should play my guitar through GR2 or summat... Only that demo is restricted to 30 min.
     
  13. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    Nope, just did filtering.

    The signals recorded by 100dhawan
    :)p: ) had information all the way upto 16kHz :O

    The actual guitar amps + speakers + cabinets filter out any frequency higher than 5kHz.

    :-|

    Thats all I did to his signal.


    But it makes a marked difference, aint it?
     
  14. TheDevil

    TheDevil Ruler of Hell

    Yes Very !!!
     
  15. thehundredthone

    thehundredthone Well-Known Member

    I tried an FFT filter but only filtered out 5-6khz not higher.
    Good idea with the amp eq. I think I'll look for a permanent eq for windows sound to adjust while playing.
     

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