The Best Judgement?

Discussion in 'The ChitChat Lounge' started by rickkkyrich, Dec 19, 2012.

  1. rickkkyrich

    rickkkyrich Guest

    I hope you all are aware of the Delhi rape case... or should i say "cases"...
    What in your opinion should be done to the criminals if found guilty? What will be the best judgement in your opinion?
     
  2. guitarplayer729

    guitarplayer729 New Member

    Imprisonment till death.
     
  3. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    Ho hum, what about countless cases of murder and robberies?
    What about cases of mob & riot crimes?

    Do you think imprisonment has really acted as a deterrent.




    How about turning these guys over to nasty gays in a dungeon, after being hand & leg cuffed.
    And whatever transpires should be made available for public consumption.
     
  4. guitarplayer729

    guitarplayer729 New Member

    They've not acted not as a deterrent because not all the culprits are punished.
     
  5. horsesmouth

    horsesmouth Active Member

    How about bringing in islamic/middle east laws regarding women molestation?
     
  6. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    I would be more interested in bringing in the middle east laws about number of wives ... ;)
     
  7. wylder

    wylder New Member

    Maybe fear of punishment is not the best reason people should stay away from crime. Having lived in the Middle-East for the better part of my life, I can tell you that those methods are not any more effective.

    The problem might be that most of us, the society, do not care about such a crime happening and hence such behavior is becoming socially acceptable. Its a question of the society's deteriorating moral values as opposed to lack of fear of punishment. There needs to be a sense of wrong and right in people.

    Moreover, most criminals know that punishment in the Indian justice system will take a long time to effect and even then it can be watered down depending on the difference in social classes of the assailant and the victim.
     
  8. horsesmouth

    horsesmouth Active Member

    haha...both the statements, completely in irony... they have the same double standards as we do...
     
  9. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    Actually what could be the basis of criminalizing the act of having more than one wives/husbands?
    Forced marriage - yes it can be construed as a criminal act. But having multiple partners? :shock:

    Wylder: Everything happening in this world is someone else's problem until it happen at my home. That is the mentality of every human. The bigger the population pool, the more this effect is felt.
     
  10. nandy0894

    nandy0894 New Member

    such men shall be castrated .. thats the least i think.. .
     
  11. guitarplayer729

    guitarplayer729 New Member

    with a meat cleaver!
     
  12. nandy0894

    nandy0894 New Member

    i seriously do not advise only death penelty .. these animals shall be castrated and then imprisoned till death..they shall live their life in agony and go through unbearable pain..
     
  13. bjr

    bjr Lady of the Evening

    ah, overreaction <3
     
  14. nandy0894

    nandy0894 New Member

    why would u call it an overreaction ?
     
  15. wylder

    wylder New Member

    It is not rational to hand out extreme punishment to criminals because that would only mean a lot of similar crimes would need similar punishment. In turn, criminals would consider a jail-term sentence quite petty. It simply means our society will return to barbaric roots and makes the whole correctional system of the government meaningless.
     
  16. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    Perhaps that's exactly what a criminal counts on ...
     
  17. bjr

    bjr Lady of the Evening

    Precisely for the reason wylder mentions. It is all very well to advocate barbaric punishments in a fit of rage but you'd do well to remember that they set a precedent. Given how easy it is to falsely accuse someone of a crime (and get them convicted), I'd be very wary of the punishment I set for it.

    For example, would you advocate a really strict punishment for s-exual harassment of minors? It sounds like an idea very few would disagree with. If you are scum, you deserve what you get. Having said that, you could quite easily file a complaint of harassment against me based on the messages I've sent you or the posts in the chit chat lounge. I will be arrested and put in jail for at least a couple of days (not least because you're a minor). Anyone reading the small news article about this will judge me, most of them will think I'm guilty of at least something and quite happily advocate the death penalty for me as a paedophile (assuming, of course, that the poll for the verdict is online...most of them couldn't be bothered to step out of their house).

    Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying most cases are like this. Perhaps less than 1% of the cases will be like the one I stated above. I'm just not sure extreme punishments are a great idea when conviction of a crime is easy and based on subjective data.

    Also, keep in mind that the system in our country is highly biased towards the rich and powerful. In my opinion. the less power given to the system, the better it will be for most of us. A poor person complaining against a richer person usually seems to find it difficult to win and a rich complainant tends to win against a poorer one. Cases between near equals tend to go on forever.


    Also, I'm not saying that the judiciary is unfair (and I'm not saying it's not). I'm talking about the system as a whole. The judiciary merely pronounces the verdict based on the evidence presented. In a system where medical reports can be fabricted, witnesses bought, evidence destroyed (or manufactured)....I honestly would think very hard before saying the things a lot of you are saying.
     
  18. wylder

    wylder New Member

    For a vast majority of crimes, I doubt that a person fully evaluates the punishment before committing a crime. While contemplating a wrong doing, you usually depend on your judgement which in turn depends on your moral values. Your moral values in turn depend on the society you live in.

    I believe that's where the genius of religion comes into play. Man is a social being and cannot live independent of his fellow humans. If your society looks down on you and alienates you for your wrong doing, its likely that you will not repeat it and similarly other members of the society will not do the same.

    A case in point would be A Raja who is serving a life sentence for corruption charges. The fact that he knew such a sentence would be handed out to him couldn't have deterred him from his decision. We as a society look at politicians as inherently corrupt and hence do not publicly shame or outcast such individuals who are found guilty of corruption. Hence it becomes a socially acceptable (albeit "illegal") practice...
     
  19. nandy0894

    nandy0894 New Member

    i agree to almost everything that you've stated.. but stop and think about the girl and the brutality that was involved..
    even if she lives, she wont ever be able to lead a normal life..
    if you were to give a judgement..if she was urfamily member..would u still think that life imprisonment is a punishment enough? if not..then acc to you what shall be done? and do you think that all the agitation about this case is iseless and baseless?
     
  20. wylder

    wylder New Member

    The agitation is exactly the thing we need.

    It is helping spread awareness about an evil we overlook as a petty crime. Hopefully people do realize the gravity of such a crime and proactively stop such a thing from happening around them and in their societies.

    It was sad to see that report of a girl getting molested by a whole mob a few months ago. Just shows how numb peoples judgement has become. There wasn't one guy in there who could think that what they were doing was wrong and needs to be stopped right away.
     

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