Please help me with bars

Discussion in 'Beginner's Q&A Forum' started by acoustic12, Jan 26, 2009.

  1. acoustic12

    acoustic12 New Member

    Hi All,

    I read in some other thread about blues music.. It had a vivid mention of bars, especially a 12 bar blues.. Can the experts elaborate on the topic of bars a little..? I would mostly like alpha1 and bjr to pitch in with their abundance of knowledge.. I've read your posts, you guys Rock.. oh sorry you guys Blues!!

    Thanx in advance.

    Cheers,
    Akshay.
     
  2. acoustic12

    acoustic12 New Member

    Oh geez... No response at all..? was the question too dumb..?
    Okay ans this:
    If I am playing in standard 4/4 timing, does one 'bar' consist of 4 full notes on 4 ticks..? It is quiet confusing this bar thing....

    somebody help me please..
     
  3. ambush

    ambush _RASTA_man_

    I dont know much about bars but. I think its measure. That is If its 4/4 bar, it consists of 4 beats each of 1/4 note length. Cant really make much sense of it.

    In 12 bar blues the bars are repeated after 12 bards that is the music progesses for 12 bars and then repeats or changes. I am not very sure about it
     
  4. bjr

    bjr Lady of the Evening



    yes, it is.


    A bar is a measure of time. It can last as long as you want it to but is usually constant over a period of time. You probably wouldn't have one bar consisting of 3 beats and the next consisting of 4.



    You should also know what time signatures are. If you've heard terms like 3/4, 2/4, 6/8 etc. these are known as time signatures.


    the first number corresponds to the number of beats in the bar and the second number corresponds to the duration of each beat. This should give you more info-

    http://www.musictheory.halifax.ns.ca/13ts.html
     
  5. horsesmouth

    horsesmouth Active Member

    dude dont get confused by this bars terminologies they r helpful only 2 compose music
    actually bars r nothing but a kind of measure....
    4/4 means......4 beats per measure
    3/8......3 beats......


    SIMPLEST WAY:
    if u're composing a melody.....then just add up all the notes in 1 measure..u get the time signature
    example:
    for 3/8 signature: a measure i give as follows:

    e.......................................................10(1/8th note)...........................]3x repeat
    b...10(1/16th note).....rest(1/8th note)........................10(1/16th note)....]


    notes can be 1 of these:
    whole note: 1 note in 1 beat(or 4 in four whichever u like)
    half.........: 2 notes per beat (actually half duration as a whole note)
    quarter....: 1/4th duration of whole note...eg. 2 quarter notes make a half note duration
    similarly.....1/32 th note n 1/64th notes r also used


    so in the above tabulature, if u add up all the notes(including the rest note) u get is:
    1/16 + 1/8 + 1/8 + 1/16 = 6/16 = 3/8
    so the time signature here is 3/8


    P.S. if u actually play this tab...u get the 1st part of sayonee beginning tab.....its not in 3/8 time signature....but i modified it n played on my software n it did pretty well as compared to 4/4 timing.......just it sounds a bit weird


    if u need i can give u sayonee 4/4 timing tabs too......tabs r the same just the note type differs eg(1/8 etc).......it just sounds a bit slow


    NOTE:the software I use is GUITAR PRO 4.....its simply gr8 to use
     
  6. horsesmouth

    horsesmouth Active Member

    same thing in 4/4 time signature is as follows

    e.......................10(1/8th note).........................................10(1/8th note).........................]1x repeat
    b...10(1/4th note)..................10(1/8th note)....10(1/4th note)..................10(1/8th note)....]


    difference between earlier 3/8 n dis 4/4 is tht i've used quarter n 1-eighth notes here compared to 1/8th n 1/16th notes in 3/8 measure
    due to this, in 4/4 timing, there need to be filled up notes(actually the measure has same tabs 2 times, dats y there is 1x repeat for same effect)


    so in the above tabulature, if u add up all the notes(no rest note r included this tym....note this cuz 1/4th note takes longer time 2 play itself) u get is:
    1/4 + 1/8 + 1/8 + 1/4 + 1/8 + 1/8 = 8/8 = 4/4........(cuz there r 4 beats)
    so the time signature here is 4/4

    hope u now get tht there's not much difference while actually playing.....all tht is just 2 satisfy the human need for perfection
    \m/
     
  7. horsesmouth

    horsesmouth Active Member

    forgive me for giving a really sucking tabulature.....believe me its my 1st attempt at making 1
     
  8. acoustic12

    acoustic12 New Member

    Thanx bjr.. that was a really helpful link... Now I understand what a bar actually means.. I still may get stuck up while going through it, but hey.. I know this is the place to come for help...

    Cheers!
    Akshay.
     
  9. horsesmouth

    horsesmouth Active Member

    dude...i put up ma best explanation ever for bars..
    m disappointed...
    :(
     
  10. acoustic12

    acoustic12 New Member

    ^^^ u gt disappointed pretty quickly I must say... I already knew all that u've told me about timings... I probably already knew wat a bar was.. juz didnt know how to "define" a bar.

    I appreciate te effort for showing timings in tabs though.. bt that only makes it more confusing to read...

    P.S. Try to get the tabs down in notepad and copy paste it. It'll be easier. It really helps if u use '-' in place of '...'
     
  11. horsesmouth

    horsesmouth Active Member

    yea i got it after i'd posted the tab...so i gave an apology...
    :p
    lol i dint know u already knew it.....actuly i tried 2 giv th' basic concept...
     
  12. acoustic12

    acoustic12 New Member

    aah k.. thanx fr d help neway.. I know its coming a bit too late, but I juz discovered I cn subscribe automatically. So i cn keep track of threads better.. so hence forth all the thanx would come in due time...

    Cheers!
     
  13. horsesmouth

    horsesmouth Active Member

    lol....u're welcome netYm

    nd I used 2 subscribe earlier, but now I stopped cuz I like 2 just surf around n inside the site just for fun, which gives me all th' required threads

    n neway I dont wanna get pissed o'er unnecessary emails for thread replies....
     
  14. acoustic12

    acoustic12 New Member

    naaa u dnt have to subscribe fr emails.. u cn gt juz d notification in the user cp. no email nonsense.. it really helps.
     
  15. horsesmouth

    horsesmouth Active Member

    yea rite....still i'd like 2 browse everything myself. it helps see other things better
    :p
     
  16. acoustic12

    acoustic12 New Member

    yea.. well maybe u should chk out ur muting problem smtimes as well.. its pretty strange though.. u seem to be defying laws of physics :p
     
  17. horsesmouth

    horsesmouth Active Member

    :p
    its no-muting problem, actually!
     
  18. acoustic12

    acoustic12 New Member

    aah how long are we gonna ping pong between these threads... Im done wd d bars d ur fantastic explanation.. lets concentrate on muting now... in the other thread... It'll gt confusing fr passers by otherwise.
     
  19. horsesmouth

    horsesmouth Active Member

    lol, yea, I just noticed tht.....
    :D
     
  20. horsesmouth

    horsesmouth Active Member

    i guess muting is not happening in any case in my guitar
     

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