need help buying distortion pedal for metal etc.

Discussion in 'Guitar Gear Talk Forum' started by Double A, Dec 14, 2009.

  1. Double A

    Double A New Member

    Hi there!
    Guys, im into playing for not so long, like almost 6 yrs... currently just for enjoyment etc meanin not in a band or sumthin'
    so i own a guitar and a processor(vmap-2) and amp. but the distortion tht i get frm the processor is not very clear, meanin its noisy etc the clean sound is kool and noiseless. :think:

    so im plannin to buy pedal for fast attack metal distortion like metallica n BFMV.somewhere in the forums i read tht uber Metal by line 6 is a good option for that.

    so all the pro's out there, plz give sum guide line for this type of pedal n usage etc....and pricing to0 if possible!


    thanx in advance..
     
  2. thehundredthone

    thehundredthone New Member

    The EHX Metal Muff is my personal favourite so far. Although, it's not for everybody - you have to learn to use it right. Most people advise staying away from the Boss Metal Zone.

    Try and keep in mind that it's not 50dB of gain or a distortion setting of 11 that you really need, it's all about the voicing and EQ. The pedal should sound good, not like sludge.
     
  3. flashmustain

    flashmustain New Member

    i use a metal zone ..nd i am definetly satisfied by it ...most ppl say it's a waste..cuz dey dunt noe how 2 use or control da beast ...i had da problem in da beginning till a frnd of mine actually showed me how 2 use it effectively...also u got lot of options wit tone ...dere r like 4 tonal controls ..1 distortion level nd 1 volume level as well...wen ur switching between clean nd distortion it's flawless as it's an analog pedal...also wen it cums 2 ne heavy distortion ..if it's ur budget ..try gettin a compressor...i think it's a must if ur using heavy metal distortion otherwise no matter how gud da distortion is ..it'll always sound like a mess...neway gud luck on buyin da pedal
     
  4. thehundredthone

    thehundredthone New Member

    The Metal Muff sounds fabulous even without compression. I'm yet to hear another pedal where a chord rings out as clearly as with the Muff.

    Compression is useful in front of a distortion pedal, the dynamics you lose aren't as important. My next buys will be an EQ and then a compression pedal.
     
  5. varooney

    varooney New Member

    BOSS ML-2: Metal Core... one of the most heaviest distortion pedal
    or
    DigiTech Hardwire TL-2 Metal Distortion
    or
    If you want to do what the pros do get a really good amp and a really good overdrive pedal.. lyk an ibanez tube screamer.. put the amp on drive mood and turn the overdrive effect on as well.. you get a really amazing sound..
     
  6. hibernator

    hibernator New Member

    Yeah tube amps deliver the best tone but sadly not the same on solid state amps...it only gets unbearably noisy when u try to boost the gain with the overdrive...
     
  7. Double A

    Double A New Member

    thanx guys..

    @flashmustain: thanx. wht will compression do to the sound; also tell tht there's dedicated pedal for it or amp etc..

    @all: also plz explain wht is the differnce, which include pricing as well, btw an digital pedal, like metal muff and an anlog one, and which is preferd, and overdrive effect too if possible
     
  8. thehundredthone

    thehundredthone New Member

    An ENGL, Mesa Triple Rectifier, Marshall Plexi or a Diezel will set you back a few thousand dollars, not quite affordable. And like hibernator said, boosting a solid state drive channel gives you mud.

    Pedals cost anywhere from 3k upwards. 3k being the bottom end Kustom pedals that sometimes sound worse than the drive channel on a Stranger NS30.

    The Boss DS-1 will not cut it for metal distortion, it's not voiced for metal.
     
  9. Double A

    Double A New Member

    thnx ppl,the info will help me a lot :)))
     
  10. insatanity

    insatanity New Member

    Whats ur budget?
    Check Boss MT-2 - costs 4.5-4.8k
    Line 6 Uber metal - around 7.5k. this one comes with a noise gate
    Beta Aivin HM-200 - around 2.2k. check out its demos on youtube
     
  11. ambush

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  12. insatanity

    insatanity New Member

    Roland Cube 15x seems to be a better option. It comes with a Power Squeeze as well. The processor u have should have a built in noise-gate which can suppress unwanted noise. A distortion pedal will not cut the noise, unless u go for a Line 6 distortion pedal like Uber Metal which has built in noise gate. Line 6 uber metal will cost u around 7.5-8k. If you want to buy a cheap noise gate then u can go for Beta Aivin NG-100.
     
  13. flood

    flood New Member

    the "power squeeze" on the roland is probably the funniest, most pointless feature i can think of.

    anyway, you do not need to attenuate your power for metal - in metal, the preamp is the most important part - keep the gain high and the mmaster volume low.

    the metal muff is a great pedal. avoid the boss metal zone like the black plague. it makes my all-tube handwired homemade marshall sound like a line 6. i'll be modding it soon, but out of the box it is atrocious.

    someone is selling a damage control liquid metal on these forums. that reputedly sounds very good too. the barber dirty bomb is another option and priced excellently too.

    to take care of all your distortion needs, take a look at the sansamp GT2 as well. they're killer.
     
  14. insatanity

    insatanity New Member

    Metal Muff is also ok. Theres a distortion pedal by MXR called M-116 which looks a lot more versatile then Boss MT-2; unfortunately it doesnt seem to be available here . If u have a processor, then it won't help much investing in Peavey Vypr 15. Besides, Peavy Vypr 15 has only 1 volume control, whereas Cube-15x has a separate volume control for the gain channel besides the Power Squeezer. The Power Squeezer may help in keeping ur folks and neighbors quiet.
     
  15. flood

    flood New Member

    wow, remote controlled folks and neighbour volume! :D

    jokes apart: the "power squeeze" on modelling amps is probably the stupidest thing i've heard of - power squeeze comes from tube amp power reduction, where people use different methods to max out their amp power at a much lower volume. this leads to the effect known as power tube distortion, because the power stage is now being overdriven, adding some characteristic compression and harmonic distortion on transients.

    with solid state and modelling amps, this is absolutely pointless because the distortion characteristics of semiconductors is absolutely different from tube amplifiers. so your "power squeeze" is simply an attenuator/compressor in this case.

    if you want to play metal with a roland cube, i would actually recommend NOT putting on the power squeeze so that you don't unnecessarily make your tone muddy. keep the amp clean, use a high-gain pedal and keep the master volume low. the reason is that you want MORE watts when playing metal, because you want more articulation and a clearer frequency response from your power stage - all your tone shaping is done in the preamp, as opposed to blues or rock, where power stage distortion is more desirable to get that "cranked amp" sound. metal, particularly modern metal, does not need the "cranked amp" sound!
     
  16. Double A

    Double A New Member

    @insatanity: budget of mine is around 6-7k, and ive seen the Uber metal review on youtube, its a good choice n i like the sound,,,Roland Cube 15x amp u mentioned is equivalent to the metal pedal i believe..is there any other good amp the will go along with uber metal pedal or other,,,

    @flood: :wow: man that tech details are way abov my head... but maybe in future will be able enuf 2 get it... that SansAmp GT2 Tube is pretty priced,,, but a good one as ive read it sample styles settings Bassman , SRV, Marshall Bluesbreaker and Plexi, Metallica, Van Halen, SVT , slap, King's X for bass..
     
  17. flood

    flood New Member

    the sansamp is badass. built like a ****ing brick shithouse too.
     
  18. ghost8066

    ghost8066 New Member

    leave that shit aside. if u are looking for really great amp modelling and really cool sounds to rock the nation and set the place on fire then Boss GT 10 is the unit that u need. it's got everything and bajaoo.com giving it away for a clean 28 k. If not take a zoom fx pedal of a digitech pedal.
     
  19. distorted

    distorted satan

    ^lol........
     
  20. ajesh_mani

    ajesh_mani New Member

    maaannnn....where did u learn it from ??
     

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