AJ, Hotel California should be already on youtube. I think it is better if people put videos on indian songs n music. Just go to youtube/google vid and search for popular english songs and most are covered on guitar there. Most with close up shots. some in lesson format. There are lot of professional stuff too. U can pick them up from star ratings/ viewers comments or views(popularity) @Mods whoever I always felt IGT missed that video section. You people don't realize how much helpful it is for people like me. J was perhaps the only man who used to help by putting vids but he is banned. I learned a lot from his vids. I remember i was once threatened by some mods to be banned for linking to kishmu/Js site. I still dont understand it. How can we create barriers when subject is music. Moreover people here been posting links to all sites. Of course if u ban me for linking to quality music stuff, good There is obvisouly lot of garbage on IGT as it is not properly moderated (I mean including what i post) I have mentioned this before. You people should seriously think of cleaning and re-arranging it. How IGT mods manage to create a video section and manage the quality is their task. I think they can put rating systems, or first leave submissions to be screened/voted by users for a period and those qualifying can be permanently posted in vid section (say like users picks). The same should have been applied to music competition earlier. I was suprised it was not done. Suppose JAL band was to enter competition (assuming they were still unknown people) they were likely to be screeened off cos a lot of musicians here think JAL knows nothing about music or guitaring. They play 3 chords etc etc. But u can't deny the fact that JAL is truly popular and popularity is decided by music lovers only. Not because if ARR rahman says JAL is good or bad, i don't think it makes any difference. Music is for people not critics. I don't think he will or need to, but just imagine what will happen had J put an entry for this competition : I still think IGT is a public forum and not in private interests. And interest is music and emphasis is on guitar. If I am wrong, ban me @all who think vids help Now whether IGT mods design a good vid section or not, for english song lovers there r already sites like youtube, google metacafe etc etc. All the sultans of swing, eagles n all there And remember vids doesn't mean bandwidth as some discourage on IGT. those who want will manage to get it. Times have changed vid compression improved a lot and bandwidth getting cheaper. and low quality is more than enough for learning. If one was to learn JAL woh lamhe from text chords and audio clips, there is no need to post clips where strumming is clearly audible. My problem is where to play it to get best results. My ears r not sharp. And if it sharp and i know how to play it in different positions, transpose, open barre etc etc, why do I need a forum like this?? Neo, do u own this forum and is it in business interests? then remove my posts. I don't mean to offend u or any. I sincerely want this forum to deliver quality stuff. Lord Giveth to the needy, rgds
Popularity is decided by consumers, not by music lovers. I don't think any of the judges are 3-chord dissers. Of course, you could like 3 chorders and still not like Jal. I don't think popularity alone stamps you with quality. Let people stick to their guns about whether Jal is good or bad...either way, I don't think Jal are going to complain too much. As for Jayswami entering this contest, I haven't heard too many of the round 2 entries but I do believe that he'd be going up against some pretty decent competition in there (if he isn't there already).
Just wanted to add i am not writing against any judges here. Infact i only know Neo is not one. But I think some from forum r judging. How can i judge judges? I was thinking contest inlines of youtube underground video contest where public r voting. My understanding could be wrong. thought that was good idea. I was expressing views on improving IGT so that more beginners having no access to quality coaching can benefit especially indian-pak music. I don't think j is around. As far as i know he n Kishmu were the few QUALITY musicians here. He is high quality keyboardist and never callled himself a guitarist. For me quality is relative term. They say scotch whiskey is high quality I tried but never was impressed. if i am to drink i honestly prefer desi daru. It qualifies for 'quality' for my purpose On method of final round also, i never think one could create a tune in a limited time or for a bigger prize. or can one? Give prize to original tunes over an year. like best of 2005 etc. give chance n time to evolve the work. Plz understand that i am talking on improving IGT by putting in my ideas. Lord taketh or giveth. Take or ban but no useless verbal fight on this as in many threads. I am also not too bad spamming as many realized by now. Of course plz support those who want vid section. And I just realized sites like youtube are blocked in many coutries. they will benefit a lot with IGT having own section. I have seen many other forums already with that feature. And also audio playlist. an online play list based on members work here and countdown based on user voting. For the next IGT contest, let there be thousands of participants than a mere 100 of 30000
Public voting is a great idea when the number of voters is huge. In a forum like we have, it will make for tremendous bias since people tend to think voting is according to likeability rather than talent. Personally, I am for public voting still though...and we will have it in the final round of the contest. As far as youtube goes, they have huge numbers usually so the results are fairly accurate. My point precisely. You can't just assume that the current rage is quality. Remixes were the rage not too long ago. "Krish masks" are the rage right now...paper masks being sold at 10 times the price. That, I can safely say, is not a quality product. Fair enough. The tournament did not require you make a brand new tune for the contest itself. People are allowed to use tunes they moulded in the last few years or even older(if that be considered time enough to evolve). And as for the question of whether someone can mould a tune in such limited time, I do believe the answer is yes. You're usually not using brand new ideas....you're putting music to ideas you've had in your head for sometime.
well there is very small community active on IGT from last one year. and this video section will only help those who really want to learn and grow as a Pro guitarist. and for everything else i dont think Video section will help. as we have already seen that very few fellow IGT members like Metal or rock stuff.. im not against JAL or Atif but what i have seen in last 7 months is more of JAL, Atif, and Roxen... there is lot of music available apart from three four hindi band... You're usually not using brand new ideas....you're putting music to ideas you've had in your head for sometime. @Jozko What bjr said is correct...
bjr i just found u r a judge. was wondering why u were writing so much here. want to say again that i am not against judges but method. On bias- i think judges can be biased too by friendships and personal music flavors. If i were judging and there was a reggae entry, i'd give it a lift, cos i like reggae. No need to say what'll happen if it is somebody i regualrly communicate with. It is human nature, i think. There could be exceptions, hope u r. IGT is asias largest group so voters are there, chk the chit chat areas. 30000 are registered. let's say half are false ids, still 15000 left. lets say many are not active still number is considerable. Not all are musicians or boast as guitarist but all are in one way or other interested in guitar and related music. Don't think they are here to chat alone. get them in the act. Youtube is youtube because they give ordinary people a chance. Got people involved. IGT also need to grow in stuff I didn't knew option to vote was included, is it there? good But it should have been there from from start. OK leave it. Personally i think somebody judging is nonsense man. I remember watching Miss (world? bangalore, i think) on TV some years back. I think there was one miss columbia... Well I am not explainging more. But judges ask questions, u know. they can be biased. leave female beauty contest to voters like me and see real results Again to me quality (in music) is when I really like it. i donno what r "krish masks" but i hate remixes And on making tunes for contest. i read somewhere somebody write he/she didn't get enough time or were under pressure. The contest was not started with any clear ideas, some said vocal some said guitar. Some had tunes previously done. don't u think they have an edge? And it is information for me to know people can create tunes at will. Perhaps I think same applies for poems and writing too. Those who can knows it. My thought was that it can't be timed nor births. I was wrong on one. Devil that answers boldline too. thx n rgds But devil i think beginners need vids more. I need em i vote for vid section And devil and SG u been motivating people to expand musical interest. 100% support u both on that. But these bands influence people and they come here to learn it. chk the search logs and u know. Been writing too much today. so stop for some hours. Hehe but i get more points. AJ u know why i write more
I never once said anything about you being against us. I personally did not find anything wrong with the method except perhaps that I would have preferred audience voting so that it would have been completely transparent. Absolutely. I have been saying for the last few months that I will try to get over personal bias but it is practically impossible. I am no exception. Bias will be there regardless of how much we try. The number of active members here are in hundreds. There used to be a lot more but the number has been dwindling in the last few months thanks to some unreasonable policies but I suppose that isn't really any of our business. I still agree with you about the voting. You hate remixes yet they are popular, are they not? This is what I meant when I said popularity alone does not qualify as quality.
bjr remix are 'quality things' for those who like it. they prefer better quality remixes from the remixes. popularity of music u can measure, quality can u? bjr i thought u were one involved with this site management. I am sorry. how did u become judge? anyway. site popularity is going down perhaps becos it doesn't meet requirements of majority. if u have access to mods convey it. ok i am getting points for text. but going offtopic. it's vid or not.
@notty he is jozku.. : bjr is that true? :shock: then i dont think that i have ne chance for third round. :think:
Notty and Devil. hey u people are semi-pro band people i think. Devil is i know. notty i think u too r. think i have heard some good works on u on IGT tracks. It will take time to know people by IDs. today i was confused between two DJs. one was DJ crunk.. one another. both good. why do u need vids. play by ear people. but just write "we want vid sections" here
devil i am jozko or joseph jozku will do or joker. and bjr is frank in saying that. now u know u have a chance. bribe him/her btw can u plz send the link of ur track for next round i mean round 2? is there 3?
LOL to be frank, even we judges dont know our "methods". : Yeah, but the fact remains, taht ALL the people HERE have access to ALL the recordings. If at any moment one feels taht his (or for that matter, anyone else's) guitar playing was "better" than someone else, he is free to state that. There are other people (lots of people, actually, as you put it later in your post) who are also there. They can decide for themselves, how fair the judges have been in their conduct. I would put the number of IDs figure to roughly 150-200. 10-20% among them as active. It is these active member who would bother to listen to recordings and secretly vote. Dont you think THAT offers a bigger chance of bias, than 3-4 judges who have to judge in "full public view"? Well dont take this personally, but lemme ask you: If there is a guitar contest based on popularity (or mass voting), who will win? Shahrukh Khan (assuming he learns and plays Summer of 69) or John Abercrombie (playing his usual jazz) Hmmm, do you by any chance mean that since Cmaj Fmaj Gmaj progression is more popular and catchy (probably to you too), it is of higher "quality" than the Dm7 G7 Cmaj7 progression? Dude, this contest is certainly not the last one. In fact, you can assume it to be a pilot project, on basis of which, "better organised" ones shall thrive. Yup. And thats what makes this even better. IGT is testing how dedicated one was to music as well as his instrument. If one have been playing for past 10 years, he stand a better chance of winning than one who started off 1 year ago, since: 1. he would have more "fluency" over the guitar 2. he would have thought of more musical ideas, more exposure + experimentation HOWEVER, if the person who has learnt only for 1 year has been more dedicated that the one who has been playing for 10 years, ..... ? needless to mention that this 1 year guy would score better on those two points than the 10 year guy. I am not against VDOs. But believe me they will make bandwidth issue a hell for the admins. Even smallest of Vid will be ~1 MB. 30000 users.
And u r a judge too as i chkd, right. sums it up, i think. But i will add some more to know more. then 100 participants is high percentage, i was wrong/unaware on numbers, didn't knew it. it is not great news either. But numbers and voting remind me of school days were students voted as class leaders even though strength were around 40/class better than some teachers pick their pets. made more sense to me. true but wonder people will do that in public. some vote in elections (a secret thing), but don't tell others or need to tell real truth for friendship sake or political reasons. few people, contestants and judges, means biasing increases, atleast to me. It is not personal thing, obviously. Talking lightly, i know where my vote goes But on a serious note i must admit i donno John or weather sharukh plays guitar or is musician. U also might agree that there is no rule that he can't get votes or win a guitar competition or even become PM. If he can add extra to his music peopl might like it more. Jackson used to dance and impress. it is people who get the kick and enjoy. they have a right for that. In our case people from this forum are voting and not public. Hope u have faith in members here. and knows whether they vote for sharukh or aishwarya in slits with guitar or someone playing musically good FYI i donno chords or progressions. quality u see is.. well i explained in terms of alcohol and miss world contest... ok leave it. That applies to music too. Or i can explain more if u want to. ofcourse hope so and i was giving some inputs only. So u judges have a 'method' ? and actually are u ppl considering years of playing too. how can u, or can u? so is it 30000 or 150-200? talk was on strumming vids etc. they don't cost u on size too, if u (r u mod too) r talking seriously. For argument sake we always have one. we can counter each others args. That's not our interest here. people can post video on free networks. u think people posting on soundclick.com puts load on IGT? soundclick.com has been backbone of IGT tracks, i think. are they owned by one person? ok i withdraw. no more wordss against words qn was people want vid section (asked by a mod . assume he/she should be willing to manage bandwidth or as i said it can be easily done without one) I say YES. I have nothin more posts here in this thread, frndly rgds. I'll have real beer n reggae playin ) let music go on
Guyz .. The Idea Is Good and Will Work For Sure. after all the reading and stuff .. thers only one thing i can say.. OPEN HTML on the forum .. and People who want to Record there Vdo(s) can record on you tube and many other webs .. there are links Avail on every VDO at YouTube .. so people can only place an HTML CODE GIVIN FROM YOUTUBE to IGT .. and the Trick Is Done .. No More Heavy IGT WEB .. and VDO(s) can be played .. for trashy Vdo and Duplicates .. there can be Mods. We can Talk More abt it If Anyone gets the IDEA of what am tryna Say here.
Hmm actually, if we are talking about using youtube/googlevideo ... etc Then this thread is useless. Who is stopping me from making a Video and posting the link on IGT along with a textual tutorial?