Geetham-01

Discussion in 'Carnatic Music of South India' started by harini, Mar 14, 2005.

  1. harini

    harini Hameer Kalyani

    Ragam- Malahari
    Thalam- Chathurasra Rupakam
    Arohanam- S R, M1 P D1 S
    Avarohanam- S D1 P M1 G3 R1 S

    Counting of the talam is as follows. Beat of hand flip of hand, and then beat, count two with little finger, three with ring finger and four with middle finger.
    The beating and flipping is called the Dhritham, more commonly known as veechu, and the counting of the fingers is known as laghu. Tell me if you have problems interpreting my notation. The swarams with an apostrophe are the melsthai, and with a coma are kizhsthai. The way this is sung, is you sing the first line of the first stanza, first line of the second, and sing the song as follows. Do the Same with the second and third line.

    M P | D S' S' R' || R' S' | D P M P||
    1)Sri- | Gananatha||Sinthu| Ra-varna||
    2)Sidha|Cha-rana ||Gana |Se-vitha||
    3)Saka|lavidya - || Adi | Pu-jitha ||

    R M| P D M P || D P | M G R S ||
    1)Karu|nasagara||kari |vathana-||
    2)Sidhi|vinayaka||the-|namonamo||
    3)Sar |vo-thama||the-|namonamo||

    S, | R M G R || S R | G R S , ||
    lam-|bodhara||lagu |mikara-||

    R M| P D M P || D P | M G R S ||
    am-|ba-sutha||ama |ravinutha||
    S, | R M G R || S R | G R S , ||
    lam-|bodhara|| lagu |mikara-||
     
  2. jayswami

    jayswami Blue J

    I know this one :) cool good post.
     
  3. ananth222

    ananth222 Beginner

    good post, thanx harini
    can u pls enclose the notations in
    Code:
     [/code ] tags so that the text aligns better?
    u can edit ur post and do it.
     
  4. harini

    harini Hameer Kalyani

    uhh..i donno how to do it. jay can u do it for me?
     
  5. chichu9

    chichu9 New Member

    harini, if you can.. can you record and upload some place we can download. its hard to follow the talam. I guess veechu is twice as long as laghu.

    your voice helps..... :gather:
     
  6. chichu9

    chichu9 New Member

    lay man's interpretation..

    1-2-3-4&-1&-2&-3&-4&-1-2-3-4&-1&-2&-3&-4&

    am I way off?
     
  7. chichu9

    chichu9 New Member

    actually didnt get this part.. 1-2-3-4&-1&-2&-3&-4(?)

    will wait for harini's input.
     
  8. harini

    harini Hameer Kalyani

    Ananth or Jay can explain the 1 2 3 4 part for you with tabs??. The veechu is only two beats whereas the laghu is four..making the laghu twice as long as the veechu. The veechu is first, followed by the laghu. I have given jay a recording. he will post it when he can.
     
  9. jayswami

    jayswami Blue J

    Code:
    Ragam- Malahari
    Thalam- Chathurasra Rupakam
    Arohanam- S R, M1 P D1 S
    Avarohanam- S D1 P M1 G3 R1 S
    
    Counting of the talam is as follows. Beat of hand flip of hand, and then beat, count two with little finger, three with ring finger and four with middle finger.
    The beating and flipping is called the Dhritham, more commonly known as veechu, and the counting of the fingers is known as laghu. Tell me if you have problems interpreting my notation. The swarams with an apostrophe are the melsthai, and with a coma are kizhsthai. The way this is sung, is you sing the first line of the first stanza, first line of the second, and sing the song as follows. Do the Same with the second and third line.
    
      M P | D S' S' R' || R' S' | D P M P||
    1)Sri- | Gananatha||Sinthu| Ra-varna||
    2)Sidha|Cha-rana ||Gana |Se-vitha||
    3)Saka|lavidya - || Adi | Pu-jitha ||
    
      R M| P D M P || D P | M G R S ||
    1)Karu|nasagara||kari |vathana-||
    2)Sidhi|vinayaka||the-|namonamo||
    3)Sar |vo-thama||the-|namonamo||
    
    S, | R M G R || S R | G R S , ||
    lam-|bodhara||lagu |mikara-||
    
    R M| P D M P || D P | M G R S ||
    am-|ba-sutha||ama |ravinutha||
    S, | R M G R || S R | G R S , ||
    lam-|bodhara|| lagu |mikara-||
    
     
  10. madhura

    madhura pani poori yum yum ....

    is carnatic malahari same as hindustani malhar ?? and Chathurasra Rupakam same as chautaal ???
     
  11. jayswami

    jayswami Blue J

  12. kishmu

    kishmu New Member

    good stuff! I know who it is...
     
  13. chichu9

    chichu9 New Member

    ?? not guessing :) .. can some one post the talam in "1&2e&a..." format pls.. thx
     
  14. harini

    harini Hameer Kalyani

    1 2 1 2 3 4

    if you look at the post, iv separated two swarams, and then kept four together. The line | is to indicated separation
     
  15. chichu9

    chichu9 New Member

    harini,

    Sorry for my ignorance.. but if I dont know the length of each beat I would not be able to figure it out.

    1234 - four equal whole beats. the time of each beat depends on the tempo
    1&2&3&4& - eight half beats.
    1e&a2e&a3e&a4e&a - 16 quarter beats.

    hey Jay/kishmu, can you help me with this one?
     
  16. harini

    harini Hameer Kalyani

    ok so chichu, consider them as all equal whole beats, the coma signifying that you play the previous swaram for one beat longer.
     
  17. jayswami

    jayswami Blue J

    u just count 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 thats aadi taalam. the way they do it is very interesting.

    They sit in padmasana position on the floor will singing, then they slap thier thighs..
    to count 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and they do it ina specific way. like slap,pinkie,ring,middle, slap,flip,slap,flip :p:
    its kinda dfficult to explain.. maybe harini or ananth222 can explain better cause what i gave was a sorta westerner lay mans perspective :)
     
  18. harini

    harini Hameer Kalyani

    this is not adi.
    chaturashra rupakam.
    iv described how to count in the intro to the song...
    jay..no smart comments in carnatic forum..make fun of carnatic in ur other forums
     
  19. chichu9

    chichu9 New Member

    jay, thats very funny :)) no matter what the talam is I am going to tap my foot. Just trying to figure out how to tap my foot.

    I am really making a very hard effort to learn something without being critical. Let's do what harini suggested and have fun in other forums. if you know the westerner notation for chaturashra rupakam.. pls post it.. Thx
     
  20. jayswami

    jayswami Blue J

    @harini cool i missed the thaalam explanation. cool repping u. i wasnt making fun i was just trying to get someone explain it which u have already done.
     

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