drawbacks of floyd

Discussion in 'Guitar Gear Talk Forum' started by royal terror, Apr 22, 2009.

  1. royal terror

    royal terror New Member

    wat r the advantages and drawbacks of havin floyd in guitars?
  2. r@zor2

    r@zor2 New Member

    It can screw ur tuning sometimes .
  3. unet

    unet New Member

    Changing the strings is a ****ing long and complicated process.

    Changing tuning is annoying since you have to unscrew the nut every time.

    If you get a crappy cheap one, you tuning is generally permanently messed up.
  4. distorted

    distorted satan

    Get a very gud floyd... Or else no floyd.
  5. unet

    unet New Member

    Also, look into the Ibanez systems.
    They have some very nice ones.
  6. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    Get a floyd only if you intend to use it frequently for low dive bombs.
    Otherwise its a pricey overkill.
  7. Harsh Kumar

    Harsh Kumar The Official IGT Jester

    Dude, Floyd Rose is hard to maintain but it's worth it.

    "Get a good floyd rose or dont"

    Dude, Floyd Rose has uniform quality.
    You just have to see if it is a authetic and licensed floyd rose!

    N you can change to +-1 step with the fine tuners!

    N your tuning is permanently fu++ed if you dont keep the bridge maintained!

    Changing strings is complex, agreed!

    But you never have to tune your guitar! Just the time when you give it a restring thats it!!

    N you can tell the slightest off string on anyone elses guitar!

    It's something you have to use to know!
    It's hard but worth it !
  8. Harsh Kumar

    Harsh Kumar The Official IGT Jester

    n RG Tremolo system cant be compared to a Flyd Rose!
    You cannot even move the saddles there. Ibanez quality is good but still you cannot compare!

    All the strings go off tune if you even drop D
  9. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    ... and one thing you are forgetting is the floyd rose sounds outta tune if you palm mute heavy.
  10. satch_attack

    satch_attack New Member

    The above is not entirely true...You will get used to it.Tuning the strings with a FR is easy too but the real problem is quickly changing tunings From say E standard to C standard .By far the biggest problem with getting a guitar with a floyd rose bridge is playin double stops.It simply wont happen without the guitar sounding slighly outta tune.Unless ofcourse you get an ibanez s series guitar with the ZR bridge.

    Also,most licensed floyd roses are sad.The only decents ones are those used by jackson and some higher end LTDs.Always look for the Original Floyd rose (OFR).It is the only system which can remotely compete with the ibanez bridges like the edge pro,ZR

    If you are getting your first guitar ,avoid getting one with a floyd rose.If you want to expirement,i recommend you get an ibanez s series guitar.The ZR bridge is probably the greatest tremolo system every made .
  11. unet

    unet New Member

    Not what i was talking about.

    What i WAS talking about.
  12. Harsh Kumar

    Harsh Kumar The Official IGT Jester

    agreed ZR bridges are great but OFR reamins OFR.

    Palm muting n everything goes on great without going out of tune! You does need to learn to palm mute...lolz!!

    Licensed Floyd Rose may not be that gud but still with a lil maintenance (which rarely ppl do) you can compete with OFR!!

    I personally dont have much experience with ZR bridges. But if we are talking abt EDGE and Lo Pro than i can say that OFR is better!
  13. 6stringer

    6stringer New Member

    Many of you guys here seemed to be having a negative or a neutral view about the FR versus the Ibanez Edge tremolos. I recently got couple of Ibanez and Jackson owners who came to me with a souped up action for repairs. Problem was that these dudes, changed all strings at a time and fiddled with the factory settings so much that the tremolos went back and they could only dive bomb. Further to that they gave it to every tom dicks and harry who claimed to be a guitar player to fix it and they screwed it up even more by using the wrong spanners / pliers and allen keys to turn the various saddle bolts and knobs and damaged the bolt threads. It came to me in a bad shape. At the end of servicing all 5 guitars, i learn't a great deal of how they were abused. Let me tell you how it started. This is long one so bear with me.

    Every budding rocker, wants to drop tune his guitar to play pantera like heavy grizzly death metal while gigging, so they open the nut and drop the E to D (one whole step) and then go about tuning all the other strings. This according to me is the most dumbest thing any guitar player playing a gig with a locking tremolo can do on stage during the break. First you need to have a second guitar that is drop tuned, in case you dont have a second guitar (as most guitar players are not as rich as our western counter parts), you should use you processors Intelligent Pitch Shifter to drop tune to D, even a dumbass Digitech RP250 (Rs 8500 pedal) has this feature. Ok now they dropped the E to D, so all other string went out of tune and now while you are lowering the string tension, you forget to notice that reducing string tension means the Bridge will pull up and the back will settle down, this alters the bridge angle and changes the relief. This in turn affects the neck bow and you guitar neck actually bow more. Now if some one didnt tell you that you need to learn how to tune a double locking tremolo too bad. It is more to do with physics and common sense than the credibility of the company that manufactures it. An FR bridge compensates the tension in each string while tuning, which means if a string is set to band pitch, then tightening another string will effectively increase the tension on the bridge but reduce the tension on the already strung up strings, so by the time you tuned you high E with reference to the Low E which was dropped to D, you will notice that the Low D has gone further down to a C#, so you crank up the C# to D, as you are raising the 6th string to D again, all other string will loosen and drop in pitch and you follow this routine again and again and again until your get frustrated and either decide not to play your low drop D song or play your guitar out of tune. After the gig you come home and the problem continues. Always remember with FR or Edge tremolos the guitar is adjusted for band pitch, at the factory bridge settings and in a moderate warm climate. If you are changing any of these parameters, be assured your guitar action will screw up if you dont know how to tweak it. So you obvious question is "How the hell do you drop tune on stage ?" .... to tame the the FR or the Edge tremolo from bouncing up and down while tuning, open the nut and detune half step at a time, that is go from E to Eb and then D, adjusting each string not more than half step each time, you will go through two passes to detune and 1 pass to fine tune once you have locked and you wont spend more than 10 mins on this process if you got a nack of it. If you think that getting a OFR solves your problem or a Edge Zero will be more stable you are wrong. Heavy weights like Van Halen and Dime, Satriani, Vai and MAB all face the same issue even today with their OFRs / Edge tremolos or similar bridge assemblies. Luckily they can afford to have a guitar technician backstage who takes care of all these things and ensures that guitars are tuned and maintained. If you want to learn how to do it, I can teach you for a couple of bucks :)

    For making this process easier, is why EVH invented the EVH Drop D Bridge so that he can go to Drop D on stage with out handing out his guitar to his technician .:)
    distorted likes this.
  14. r@zor2

    r@zor2 New Member

    o_O did u write that or copy paste??
  15. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    Cannot be a copy paste job.
    Other ppl use paragraphs ...
  16. distorted

    distorted satan

    @6stringer: thanx fr explaining the stuff...
  17. satch_attack

    satch_attack New Member

    Just giving an LFR a pro setup wont do.Its all about the pivotal points ,that is the knife edge.The knife edge on the LFR's are manufactured using low quality metals.The edge III is also falls in this category.

    And to the person who said the OFR is better than the Edge or Lo pro,Actually its all personal preference.In my expirience,the OFR is definitely a great tremolo which has great return but it lacks the fluidity of the ibanez bridges.If you use a Lo pro or an edge pro n then use the OFR ,you will know how stiff or tight the bar feels .
  18. ambush

    ambush _RASTA_man_

    Theres no advantages and drawbacks, its all preferences. I say, know your preferences; dont get one just because you think that you may need one in the future. get it only if you KNOW you need one.

    So better you get a guitar with standard tremolo. See if that is keeping you interested(like looking to do dive bombs and stuff), you can go ahead and buy one,( just make sure that you buy something in 20k+ range. ). Otherwise its bit of an inconvienience(harder to tune, cheap ones and go out of tune easily, harder to set intonation etcc ).

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