Compression Pedal = Lead Solo Tone??

Discussion in 'Guitar Gear Talk Forum' started by mymusicmyguitar, Mar 3, 2009.

  1. mymusicmyguitar

    mymusicmyguitar New Member

    I have tried a lot to get the ROUNDED Warm lead tone like Slash's and Gilmours but failed drastically on my setup.
    My current setup includes Sansamp TriAC + Rocktron Short Timer Delay + Ibanez Sabre guitar.
    My plannin on the Boss CS3 to get that kinda tone.

    What are your suggestions for the same. Thanks.
     
  2. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    Neck pickup instead of bridge?
     
  3. mymusicmyguitar

    mymusicmyguitar New Member

    Yeah neck pickup is much better sounding than the bridge one in terms of solo tone ...but yet it misses that gilmourish and slash tone touch.

    Please tell me how wud a compression pedal help me other than leveling & sustaining the tone..Would it help me to get that ROUNDED TONE or do i need to replace the pickups?

    The reason m asking it here and not tryin it out is if i am sure i need a compression then only i will make a trip to the shop which is quiet far away. Just tryin to avoid the long journey.
     
  4. 6stringer

    6stringer New Member

    How to get that lead tone ?

    Mymusicmyguitar, you have highlighted what all guitar players in the world face as a perenial problem when ever they buy new gear. The secret to get that glassy, sweet tone, as smooth as a whistle lies in several things. 1) You need a guitar with a punchy mid range frequency response (Dimarzio - EVO, Breed, Tone Zone - for neck position), 2) You need a good Tube Amp which needs to be boosted with a (3) Decent overdrive pedal .. Now here is how you can get almost 75% of the time with out understanding rocket science. Put you toggle switch to neck pick up, set your tube amp dirty channel to a point where the gain just about breaks the sound into a mild over driven sound - crunch, set your over drive pedal (which is between your guitar and amp as follows) Level to 3 o clock, bass and mids to 12 o clock - if you have just one tone knob on your over drive pedal, set it is 1 o clock, the gain on your over drive pedals should be set to 9 o clock or lesser depending upon how much saturation you need. Crank up your amp master volume to 25% and hit it. Oh yes if your guitar has a humbucker, it will sound sweeter else with a single coil roll the tone back to less than 40% to get that glassy sound...

    Now You have a overdrive pedal SansAMP TRIAC, but do you have a good tube amp ? if not set your solid state amp to mild distortion and you will get it.
     
  5. mymusicmyguitar

    mymusicmyguitar New Member

    k....So Compression pedal is kinda necessary in ones setup? Correct me if i am wrong.......
     
  6. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    Your comp pedal will get you a tone closer.
    But hey, have you tried maxing the gain on your tri-ac?

    It wont harm the "organic" feel of the tone, and will give you sustain till eternity.

    For Gilmour's tone - you would need flanger or chorus also, in order to get the singing lead tone. He doesn't use that much gain (but he uses fuzz pedal sometimes).
     
  7. mymusicmyguitar

    mymusicmyguitar New Member

    yeah i tried many different settings on my TRIAc but it just does not get me the tone that i got on some Boss Me processor(warm and even levelled output). Wud a compression pedal drastically level the output of the tone in terms of the frequency as mentioned in many of the sites??

    M doubts are still not getting cleared.

    Ok why wud one add Compression pedal to a setup? Is it necessary or my normal setup is kinda OK?
     
  8. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    And it would never be, because you can never dial the amount of gain and compression that Boss Me gives.

    Tri-ac is meant for hard-rock, blues style. (Marshall Plexi, Mesa Mark I etc)

    Steve Vai / Satch / ... use pedals like Boss DS-1 infront of extra hi-gain Marshalls or Bogners.

    You cannot match them, simply because tri-ac cannot offer that much gain and compression in the tone. It was not designed for this.

    However, making use of your existing gear - you may put a comp pedal in front to increase the sustain, and route the signal via a dirt pedal like Tube screamer / Boss SD-1 / Badmonkey to your Tri-ac.

    This would increase the available gain, and give you a rounded, smooth tone, with endless sustain.


    As I said before - you'll have to put a flanger or chorus after the tri-ac to get the Gilmour tone.
     
  9. mymusicmyguitar

    mymusicmyguitar New Member

    So u meant in this order Guitar--> TriAC--> Delay--> Boss DS1 --> Boss CS3 --> Amplifier...?????
    I will b taking part in rock competition this saturday. Thats the reason i really need to get everything fine. The distortion on TRIAc is not that punchy. I hope if i am not able to buy any other distortion or compression pedal till saturday i still get that punchy tone when i play it live and loud.
     
  10. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    No.

    Guitar => CS3 => SD-1/DS-1 => Tri-ac => Chorus/Phaser/Flanger => Delay => Amp/Direct to board.

    1. Why do you go to amp with Tri-ac? Wont it make the guitar tone too spikey and harsh? As far as I have seen with my tri-ac it sounds the best when put direct into PA/mixer

    2. The CS at the beginning will make your pick attack subtle, and increase the clean sustain. Make the tone more rounded

    3. DS-1 will increase the gain you will get from overall (DS-1 + Tri-ac) combo package. But of course, the gain on DS-1 should be as low as possible. Otherwise it will just muck up everything. You may turn up the level to your suitable requirements.

    4. Keep one bank on tri-ac with max fullout gain. This you use as the lead channel. (Like they do on valve amps)

    5. Your DS-1 will help in getting that punchy tone outta Tri-ac. As I said, dial in slight dirt, and keep the level maxed.


    Strictly speaking, your requirements are more geared towards Modern Metal. Why did you get the tri-ac?
    Its meant more for classic rock, rock n roll, blues, hair metal, hard rock.
     
  11. mymusicmyguitar

    mymusicmyguitar New Member

    Screwed up in the performance coz of HUMMING SOUND throughout the song coz by the distortion settings on the TriAC. Floyd cover went well coz it was all on clean tone. But we do hav another couple of competitions coming up this month and i need to be solid with my distorted sound.
    Sound was pretty good while our jamming sessions but dont know what happened when we went on stage....:(
    I couldnt get the CS3 coz it wasnt available in the shop.
    M PLannin to sell off my TRIAc go for a ZoomG2.1 processor :(. Would it be a good idea to add a few more pedals to my current setup or go for a processor?
    What do u suggest?
    TRIAC-->DELAY--> FEW MORE PEDALS??
    OR
    Zoom G2.1(or any other processor below 10k)?
     
  12. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    Dude, you are in a fix.
    First decide whether you want the overdrive tone from Tri-ac?

    Processor is an entirely different beast. Personally, all the processors I have heard (OK, I haven't really heard the highest end) have this dullness of tone that comes nowhere near the jingly jangly shiny tone from analog pedals. But then some ppl actually like the subdued tone of processors, especially at high gain settings.


    Dunno about the humming, but do you really end your signal chain at guitar amp?
    It is not at all recommended if you are using a sansamp.
    You will get different tone every time you change your amp.
     
  13. mymusicmyguitar

    mymusicmyguitar New Member

    i connected the line out to the delay
    so the actual setup was Guitar - TriAC - delay --Amp. Now i really dont know what caused that humming sound and the harsh tone scratching tone which made a few people to literally close their ears.
    U tell me what do u recommend? The setting that u hav mentioned above? should i follow that and buy DS1 and compressor? do i need some sort of Noise reduction
     
  14. mymusicmyguitar

    mymusicmyguitar New Member

    its not just the lead tone now....but the distorted sound also...:)...sorry for confusin
     
  15. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    Dude, I (or for that matter no one else) really cannot help until he/she is there along with you.

    For the DS-1 and Cs-3 part - do a simple thing. Go to a big music shop in Bombay, along with your tri-ac.

    Plug it and play there itself. Tell them that you are gonna buy for such n such purpose, hence you wanna audition. And buy the pedal only if you like the distortion.
     
  16. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    I don't agree with the noise reduction part.
    I have played sometimes via mixer, and I have never had noise problem.

    It might've been your power supply or for that matter anything else in the chain.
     
  17. mymusicmyguitar

    mymusicmyguitar New Member

    realised that there was a mic exactly opposite to the Stage amplifier. That must be the problem for that feedback. Ya i even confirmed with the shopkeeper and tested over there on really powerful Amps and there was absolutely no noise over there. So i guess that solves the problem for the noise. I will go to the shop and check it with the DS1 and OS2 pedals and try to get the distorted and the lead sound out of those. lets see what output i get...
     
  18. mymusicmyguitar

    mymusicmyguitar New Member

    I got to check the Chorus pedal as well for the Gilmourish tone..
     
  19. alpha1

    alpha1 I BLUES!

    ^ He uses flanger on some songs, chorus on some, and phaser on some :)

    Technically you can coax a flange sound from chorus pedal. However, until you succeed in doing so, flanger is more "dhaasu" sound effect than the subtle chorus.
     
  20. 6stringer

    6stringer New Member

    hey Alpha1 You are right on with your advice, no one can help him unless we are there and actually know what he wants. BuR My Music Man , here is simple advice I can give you. Ditch all you pedals except the delay. And buy a Simple Boss MT-2 Metal Zone - This awesome pedal will give you every thing from a slightly distorted to a heavy metal grind -- to reduce pick attack, I suggest using a rubberized picks (dunlop has them) or a nylon pick. You obviously cant change your guitar, pickup or your amp, so better change pedals and buying an expensive processor will not solve your problem -- I say this because you have to first identify what you want - to arrive at the sound you need to understand your signal Chain - ALpha1 has already put all the pro ad cons of your Tri-AC --- so go to a store and play the Bozz MEtal Zone through a clean amp with EQ set to 12 o clock and I think you will find your tone. Close enough....
     

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