Chord Formation

Discussion in 'Guitar Lessons, Tutorials & Tips' started by jayanth, Aug 16, 2004.

  1. jayanth

    jayanth <.: : Call Quits : :.>

    Hope you all get something out of this.
    Open position chords

    C D E F G A etc...
    |---0--------2---------0---------------1-------3------0--------------------
    |---1--------3---------0---------------1-------3------2--------------------
    |---0--------2---------1---------------2-------0------2--------------------
    |---2--------0---------2---------------3-------0------2--------------------
    |---3------------------2-----------------------2------0--------------------
    |----------------------0-----------------------3---------------------------

    Dmin Emin Amin Fmin
    |--1-------0--------0---------1-------|
    |--3-------0--------1---------1-------|
    |--2-------0--------2---------3-------|
    |----------2--------2---------3-------|
    |----------2--------0-----------------|
    |----------0--------------------------|

    How these are constructed is easy. The basic major chord is based
    on scale degrees. I III V
    So, if you want to build a Cmaj chord, you just use C, E, G. These are
    usually non-moveable...I know some will argue, but in this case they
    aren't moveable

    **************************************************************************
    Now, there's Barre chords. These are moveable, I will put a * by the root
    note. The root note is what decides what the chord is called. Yes, this
    is also arguable, but not right now. By moving the chord up or down on
    the fretboard, you change the name of the chord. So if you take Gmajor and move it to the 5th fret, it becomes A major, or down to the first fret makes it Fmajor. Because you're using the bottom note to define the chord.

    G major G minor C major C minor
    |-----3-----------3-----------3-------------3------------|
    |-----3-----------3-----------5-------------4------------|
    |-----4-----------3-----------5-------------5------------|
    |-----5-----------5-----------5-------------5------------|
    |-----5-----------5-----------3*------------3*-----------|
    |-----3*----------3*-------------------------------------|

    Now, a minor chord is based the same way as a major with one exception
    major I III V
    minor I bIII V

    Major scale = I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII
    Minor scale = I, II, bIII, IV, V, bVI, bVII

    Ok, so to explain this a little better, if you take a C maj chord

    C, E, G and make it a C minor all you have to do is flat the third.
    C, Eb, G and there's your minor chord, it's really easy once you get the
    hang of major - minor relationships.
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    Ok, now onto triads. A triad is just three notes I, III, and V major triad.
    tri-three, three notes. For now, I'm only going to get into major and minor
    because I don't want to confuse the issue.


    Dmaj D#maj Gmaj Dmin F#min Bmin
    |---2--------3------7------|-----1--------5---------10--------------------|
    |---3*-------4------8------|-----3*-------7---------12--------------------|
    |---2--------3------7------|-----2--------8---------11--------------------|
    |--------------------------|----------------------------------------------|
    |--------------------------|----------------------------------------------|
    |--------------------------|----------------------------------------------|

    for the first chord, Dmaj, when using it in open position, you would play
    the open D for the 'root' note. Well, with these triads, the root note
    isn't on top. You don't play the open note (you can, lots of people use
    lots of people do that, but personally I think that has been overdone
    it sounds cliche anymore, but that's only my opinion).
    The nice thing about triads, is you can change the actual
    chord by adding a different note for a 'root' note. I'll get to that later.

    |------------|
    |---5--------|
    |---5*-------|
    |---5--------|
    |---3*-------|
    |------------|
    remember this chord? The C major? In this chord, you're playing the
    C (root) note twice, sometimes, especially with two guitarists, or a
    keyboard player, it sound muddy, if you take off the bottom root note,

    |--------|
    |----5---|
    |----5*--|
    |----5---|
    |--------|
    |--------|
    You have this, less bass doesn't sound as muddy and you can play around
    more with it. And it's still a Cmaj chord.


    The Key of Cmajor

    C Dmin or Emin Fmaj Gmaj Amin
    |------------------1--------0-----------1--------3--------0---------------|
    |---1-------3------3--------0-----------1--------3--------1---------------|
    |---0-------2------2--------0-----------2--------4--------2---------------|
    |---0-------3-------------------------------------------------------------|
    |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|
    |-------------------------------------------------------------------------|

    Something else you can do is invert the chords. I.e. using a different
    bass note, playing a chord that way, makes it more interesting. And it
    doesn't really sound like a generic chord anymore.

    An A major chord with a C# in the bass. A, C#, E is an A major Triad but by putting a C# instead of the open A gives it a different flavor. Especially when the bassist is playing A under the chord, it sounds cool.

    A/C# D/E etc...
    |---------------|-----------------------|
    |----2----------|------5----------------|
    |----2----------|------5----------------|
    |----2----------|------5----------------|
    |----4----------|------7----------------|
    |---------------|-----------------------|

    ************************************************************************
    Melodization of triads is accomplished by replacing the top note of a
    triad (the root, 3rd or 5th depending on the inversion) with a higher
    degree of the scale from which the chord is formed. These notes (other
    than 1, 3 or 5) are referred to as TENSION NOTES, TENSIONS or HIGH
    DEGREES.

    General Rule: A melodic tension replaces the 1st triadic tone directly
    below it in pitch. (usually found on the same string).

    Ok in plain english

    C
    |----------|
    |----------|
    |--2-------|
    |--2-------|
    |--3-------|
    |----------|

    Ok, now this is a Cmajor triad, but replacing the open G with an A.
    this is replacing the 1st triadic tone (G) with (A)
    C, E, G is now C, E A. Kinda cool huh? None of this is law, this
    sorta stuff has to sound good to you. Some of this might sound bad to you,
    but, I might like it, it's personal preference.

    Now for some more.

    F
    |------|---3------|----5-------|----6-----|-------------------------------|
    |--1---|----------|----6-------|----6-----|-------------------------------|
    |--2---|---2------|------------|----5-----|-------------------------------|
    |--3---|---3------|----7-------|----------|----7--------------------------|
    |------|----------|------------|----------|----8--------------------------|
    |------|----------|------------|----------|----8--------------------------|

    Sus chords: (suspended) Which is I, IV, V. John Petrucci, from Dream
    Theater, uses these chords often. They sound good and when you can't
    figure out major or minor chord to use a sus chord works great usually.

    Asus F#sus Fsus Csus
    |--0--------2----------|---1----------3-----------------------------------|
    |--3--------2----------|---1----------3-----------------------------------|
    |--2--------4----------|---3----------5-----------------------------------|
    |--0--------4----------|---1----------5-----------------------------------|
    |--0-------------------|---3----------3-----------------------------------|
    |----------------------|---1----------------------------------------------|

    I'm sure you all know about power chords i.e. root & fifth


    |----------------------------------|
    |----------------6-----etc...------|
    |----------------5-----------------|
    |---------5------------------------|
    |--5------3------------------------|
    |--3-------------------------------|

    You can play around with those as well.
    |--------------|-------------------------|
    |--------------|-------------------------|
    |--------------|-------------------------|
    |--------------|--------9----------8-----|
    |---5-----5----|--------7----------7-----|
    |---3-----2----|--0--0-------0--0--------|

    Here's something cool, that uses that,

    |---------------------------------------|
    |---------------------------------------|
    |----9----------------------------9-----|
    |----7\6--------------------------6/7---|
    |---------0--0--0--0--0--0--0--0--------|
    |---------------------------------------|

    Feel free to ask questions,
    or correct my screw ups.

    Major = I III V
    Chord
    C C E G
    G G B D
    D D F# A
    A A C# E
    E E G# B
    B B D# F#
    F# F# A# C#
    F F A C
    Bb Bb D F
    Eb Eb G Bb
    Ab Ab C Eb
    Db Db F Ab
    Gb Gb Bb Db



    Minor = I IIIb V
    Chord
    Cm C Eb G
    Gm G Bb D
    Dm D F A
    Am A C E
    Em E G B
    Bm B D F#
    F#m F# A C#
    Fm F Ab C
    Bbm Bb Db F
    Ebm Eb Gb Bb
    Abm Ab Cb Eb
    Dbm Db Fb Ab
    Gbm Gb Bbb Db (Bbb is the same as A)
    flat twice would bring it down a whole step


    Dominant = I III V VIIb
    Chord
    C7 C E G Bb
    G7 G B D F
    D7 D F# A C
    A7 A C# E G
    E7 E G# B D
    B7 B D# F# A
    F#7 F# A# C# E
    F7 F A C Eb
    Bb7 Bb D F Ab
    Eb7 Eb G Bb Db
    Ab7 Ab C Eb Gb
    Db7 Db F Ab Cb (B)
    Gb7 Gb Bb Db Fb

     
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  2. jayanth

    jayanth <.: : Call Quits : :.>

    The Charts to be referred..

    Her goes. .Ive atached the file..
     

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  3. The Dark Matter

    The Dark Matter Imperceptibly unknown

    Hey Jay, I have got a question. I will explain it using an example
    consider the following chord:

    Em
    agar mein kahoon
    D................Am
    Mujhe tumse mohabbat he

    How would I play it? meaning, it is not a barre chord, so I need to strike the chord only once, but in what sequence and what tempo? The chord Em needs to be struck only once while the singer sings the complete line "agar mein kahoon"??

    And what about the second line "Mujhe tumse mohabbat he"?? how and when would the switching between chords occur???

    Thanks in advance.
     
  4. abhay_saxena

    abhay_saxena Lord of the strings

    hey jayanth , i could'nt understand what do you mean by the maj chord formation by I III and V .. ? i mean after C being 1st how do you get to III and V ?? .. please explain ..
     
  5. jayanth

    jayanth <.: : Call Quits : :.>

    @ TDM:- The chord changes depend on the way the song goes.. See probably you may have t ostrike it once or strumm it ... You are getting a wrong idea that if its not a Barre, you need not strum.. When he sings Mujhe, YOu will be playing D and when he changes the pitch in Thumse you play Am. But the first line, Depends.. Cause some songs need strumming some dont..

    @Abhay :- Observe the C Maj Scale.. C D E F G A B ok.. Observe The C Major chord or popularly known as C chord.. Its C E G. .That the I , III and V of the Scale.. Thats how chord are formed..
     
  6. abhay_saxena

    abhay_saxena Lord of the strings

    ohh ok.. . so to form a Dmaj chord i find out the Dmaj scale and take the I III and V note ??
     
  7. jayanth

    jayanth <.: : Call Quits : :.>

    You are right on track..
     
  8. The Dark Matter

    The Dark Matter Imperceptibly unknown

    Thanks a ton for that Jay. :rock:
     
  9. jayanth

    jayanth <.: : Call Quits : :.>

    ANytime.. :)
     
  10. abhay_saxena

    abhay_saxena Lord of the strings

    ok jayanth .. . i've got the hang of it. .. i still have some doubts on triads. .. will try to understand first again. .. and thanks for the info. ..
     
  11. jayanth

    jayanth <.: : Call Quits : :.>

    YOu can ask.. I'm posting a Tutorial Tomorrow on Triads.. So you can wait .. Your wish..
     
  12. abhay_saxena

    abhay_saxena Lord of the strings

    i'll wait for the tutorial .. . meanwhile will try to understand it on my own
     
  13. jayanth

    jayanth <.: : Call Quits : :.>

    Better that Way... if you can post your thoughts it would be good. cause i may be able to help you..
     
  14. jijo

    jijo New Member

    Jayanth , You r actually doing a big favour to all people here ...gr8 help this site has been ....
     
  15. jayanth

    jayanth <.: : Call Quits : :.>

    What do you mean Actually?? :p HE he.. I always help.. Chill.. Good you liked it..
     
  16. luvmusic

    luvmusic New Member

    Hi:

    I need some advice, please help:

    1)I can play the melody of any song (as long as it’s not too fast) on my guitar. Tell me how can I find out the chords. I believe if I am able to play the melody I should be able to figure out the chords also. WHAT DO I NEED TO LEARN ?

    2)I wanna play fast licks. What should I do? Can you give me some excersize or the tips?

    Regards,
     
  17. thnx jayant for the tutorial on chords will study them more n then try to play if i've prob i know i can rely on help from u guitarists thnx
     
  18. by the way for the titanic song its asDm xx0231
    Csus4 x33010
    Bbadd2 x13311
    F 133211
    C x32010
    Am7 x02010
    A7/C# 042020
    A7 002020
    F#m 244222
    E 022100
    Dadd2 xx0230
    C#m7 x46454
    A x02220
    i can understand that the A is for chord A but whta r the others x02220 is it to not strike E let 5th n 1st open n strike on 2nd fret of 3rd 4th n5th strings??????
     
  19. jayanth

    jayanth <.: : Call Quits : :.>

    @ The guitarist Of m:- Thats the finger position ..
     
  20. anurag_26

    anurag_26 New Member

    excellent lesson jayant.:nw:
    thnx a lot
    i have some doubts abt the ninths and fifth etc. u explained how the sevenths are made. is it the same way for all other, i mean using the flats of seventh or ninth in this case......
     

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