Atheistic Faith At Work

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  1. dlogic

    dlogic Zuitarist


    An atheist professor of philosophy speaks to his class on
    the problem science has with God.


    Asking one of his new students to stand, he says, "You are
    a Christian, aren't you, son?

    "Yes, sir," the young student replies respectfully.

    "So you believe in God?" the professor asks accusingly.

    "Absolutely, sir," came his quick reply.

    "Is God good?"

    "Of course," came the confident reply.

    "Is God all-powerful?"

    "Yes."

    The professor continues by saying, "My brother died of
    cancer even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us
    would attempt to help others who are ill But God didn't do
    anything for my brother. How is this God good then?"

    The student is silent.

    "So, you can't answer, can you? Let's start again, young
    fella. Is God good?"

    "Yes."

    The professor smiles and continues. "Well, then, is Satan
    good?"

    "No."

    "Where does Satan come from?"

    "From God."

    "That's right," the professor agrees. "Tell me son, is
    there evil in this world?"

    "Yes," the student replied.

    "So, evil is everywhere, isn't it? God made everything. Is
    this your view?"

    "Yes, sir."

    "So who created evil then?"

    The student remains silent.

    "Do we not have sickness, immorality, hunger, murder, war,
    genocide, hatred, and ugliness of all kinds in the world today?
    All these terrible things exist. Don't they?"

    "Of course," sir, the student answers.

    "So, who created them?"

    The student again chooses silence.

    Continuing, the professor says, "Science says you have 5
    senses you use to identify and observe the world around you.
    Tell me, son, have you ever seen God?"

    "No, sir," comes the student's firm answer.

    "Tell us, young man, have you ever heard your God?"

    "No, sir."

    "Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your
    God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God, at all,
    for that matter?"

    "No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."

    "Yet you still believe in Him?"

    Yes, I most certainly do," the student said
    enthusiastically.

    "According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
    science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that?"

    "Nothing," came the student's quick answer, "I only have my
    faith."

    "Yes, faith. That is the problem science has," the
    professor concluded.

    The student remained stolidly standing during the sounds of
    fellow students attempting to stifle their laughter. After a
    moment of silence, the student says, "Professor, is there such a
    thing as heat?"

    "Yes."

    "Is there such a thing as cold?" the student asks.

    "Yes, of course there is," the professor replies.

    "No sir. There isn't."

    The lecture theatre becomes very quiet with this
    unanticipated turn of events.

    "Sir," the student continues, "you can have lots of heat
    more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat, or no
    heat but we don't have anything called cold. We can hit 458
    degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any
    further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is
    only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot
    measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat,
    sir, just the absence of it."

    There is total silence in the lecture theatre.

    Still the student continues. "What about darkness,
    professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?"

    "Certainly," the professor announces confidently. "What is
    night if there isn't darkness?"

    "Excuse me, sir," the student says respectfully, "but you
    are wrong again. Darkness is the absence of something. You can
    have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but
    if you have no light constantly or perpetually, you have nothing
    and that is called darkness. Isn't that correct, professor? In
    reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make
    darkness darker, wouldn't you?"

    "So, what is the point you are making, young man?"

    "Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed."

    "Flawed? Can you explain how?"

    "Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue
    there is life and then there is death, a good God and a bad God.
    You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, that is,
    something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a
    thought. It uses electricity, chemical interaction, and
    magnetism, but has never been seen, much less fully understood by
    any of the greatest scientists in the world.

    Furthermore," the student continues, "to view death as the
    opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot
    exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of
    life: just the absence of it.

    Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that
    they evolved from a monkey?"

    "If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process,
    yes, of course, I do."

    "Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"

    The professor shakes his head with a smile, beginning to
    realize where the argument is going.

    "Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at
    work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going
    endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a
    scientist but a preacher?"

    The class is suddenly cacophonous.

    "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
    professor's brain?" The still standing student asks; swinging
    his arm in an arc to encompass the entire room.

    The class is now openly laughing.

    "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's
    brain, felt it, touched or smelt it?" The laughter subsides and
    the student pauses to hear an answer. "There is none and thus No
    one appears to have done so. So, according to the established
    rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says
    that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do
    we then trust your lectures, sir?"

    The room is dead silent. The professor stares at the
    student, his face unfathomable. After a moments thought, the
    professor says, "I guess you'll have to take them on faith, son."

    "Thank you, sir, for being honest. The link between man and
    God is FAITH and
    without faith, it is impossible to please God.
     
  2. nadish

    nadish Active Member

    Applauseeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!! Just GR888....... :):):)
     
  3. death_metal_fan

    death_metal_fan oh goody, it's a woody!

    Yawn...I still don't believe in God.
     
  4. abhay_saxena

    abhay_saxena Lord of the strings

    That was a good read. Great argument !
     
  5. cYpHeR

    cYpHeR Banned

    GOD is evil!!!!
     
  6. deathdr_87

    deathdr_87 Awesome Guitarist

    well i dont beleive in any single god - but i thinkthat theres something other than the laws of science that control this world... not astorlogy and all that bull**** - jsut some watcher... not even sure he exists actually but am open to anything if it seems reasonalb ewithin the limits of good faith.
     
  7. nadish

    nadish Active Member

    Hahahahah... Death Metal Fan!!! You still dont believe in GOD????????
     
  8. dharmatma

    dharmatma Banned

    ^^everyone is entitled to their own opinion..

    i personally feel u can t change anyones opinion on anythin with an arguement.
    ive had arguements on this topic with a lot of my friends..

    the bottom line is there are somethings u just feel,have faith on,or probably "influenced"..yes..
    thats the word..INFLUENCES also play a huge part in ur faith.
     
  9. shsnawada

    shsnawada Cyborgs & Pasta

    God doesnt have anything to do with life on earth. God is busy making matter in the middle of the big bang. This story is a bit biased (only a bit). On the evolution thing, the professor could have told about historical evidences but who cares.
     
  10. guns_n_gore

    guns_n_gore hell raiser

    it depends upon how u see the world.if u have no problems u dont belive in god.and if have certain problems u belive in god.



    its not about god.if need money then money is god for u.

    "god" is when u dont no the outcome of an event.eg a critical operation;any india paskistan match


    god is a person who is almighty.he is important cause he is only thing whose value is above everthing even money

    cause money cant buy ""life""

    just think about it :think: :think:
     
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  11. dlogic

    dlogic Zuitarist

    ^^very true

    @guns n gore.......... btw... i like your previous avatar ...this one sucks
     
  12. deathdr_87

    deathdr_87 Awesome Guitarist

    @guns n gore - im sorry thats not really someting i find acceptable - its ok to say some ppl beileve in god and some dont... but u cant say that ppl believe in god when theres trouble and rpay to him for help and act liek therse no god when all fine orbaiscally stop ackonwledging his help... secondly - the concept of worship and god existed before thje conceptof money.. so.. um.. sorry - i dontthink ur point applied there.

    @shswanada: historical evidence was used by both sides and countered very effectively - remember the bit aqbout "you havent actually sensed it urself have u?"
     
  13. shsnawada

    shsnawada Cyborgs & Pasta

    Well you could see the archeological remains. Thats what i meant. Anyway, that doesnt make a huge difference.
     
  14. dennis

    dennis The Bhangra King

    i dont believe in a god, neither have i prayed to any god...frankly , i find the concept stupid...and most followers mere hypocrits.
    Ps: The above is my view and not a fact..so dont get offended
     
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  15. nadish

    nadish Active Member

    Hey!!!!! This thread is not abt Believing in God or not, there was some other thread in past, so if u wanna discuss existance of God, then search that thread...
     
  16. shsnawada

    shsnawada Cyborgs & Pasta

    @NAdish: What does your avatar mean?
     
  17. dlogic

    dlogic Zuitarist

    i have asked him the same thing..but he never replies
     
  18. cYpHeR

    cYpHeR Banned

    who gives a damn bout him/her/it (god) neways......live life to da fullest....i personally dont follow ne religion too many restrictions....be free nd do wateva u want :rock:
     
  19. kaiser

    kaiser Bored

    what crap. the concept of god and religion is just a farce that's being carried on and on.
    it was created by irrational men who found it easier to live a fatalistic life. god was their invetion, a psychological anchor in times of distress or failure.

    you were TAUGHT, to worship god. you prayed to 'god' cause you saw the people in your family do that when u were a friggin kid. you accepted the fact that without even questioning the existence of god. you were taught faith....which nothing but suspension of logic and acceptance of bullcrap that our ancestors have shoved down generations.

    think about it, life would have much better without the concept of god. and WHOLE LOTTA BETTER without religion. thats the worst thing ever made by man. just think, what has religion achieved, except division? it cant even protect division of its own people. there diff types of christians, hindus, and muslims and jews and what not.

    i spit on that boy. but it aint his fault. he wasnt allowed to think.
     
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  20. shsnawada

    shsnawada Cyborgs & Pasta

    @Willheim, Franz-Josef what not?: That thought was also a creation of humans. Explain me the big bang theory without a supernatural force or some theory that bends science. It might be true that that forcce has nothing to do with the earth. Let people have their beliefs.
     

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