1. Hameer Kalyani
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ok so chichu, consider them as all equal whole beats, the coma signifying that you play the previous swaram for one beat longer.

2. u just count 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 thats aadi taalam. the way they do it is very interesting.

They sit in padmasana position on the floor will singing, then they slap thier thighs..
to count 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 and they do it ina specific way. like slap,pinkie,ring,middle, slap,flip,slap,flip
its kinda dfficult to explain.. maybe harini or ananth222 can explain better cause what i gave was a sorta westerner lay mans perspective

3. Hameer Kalyani
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chaturashra rupakam.
iv described how to count in the intro to the song...
jay..no smart comments in carnatic forum..make fun of carnatic in ur other forums

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jay, thats very funny ) no matter what the talam is I am going to tap my foot. Just trying to figure out how to tap my foot.

I am really making a very hard effort to learn something without being critical. Let's do what harini suggested and have fun in other forums. if you know the westerner notation for chaturashra rupakam.. pls post it.. Thx

5. @harini cool i missed the thaalam explanation. cool repping u. i wasnt making fun i was just trying to get someone explain it which u have already done.

6. Hameer Kalyani
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heheheh...jay's scared of me...

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Jay - another important thing is to know how 8 beats are grouped. Thats where thattu veechu and finger counting come into play. For example u have 3/4 and 6/8 - the second time sig is just num and denom multiplied by 2. How then are these beats different? Its because of grouping. If you group them as 1 & - 2 & - 3 & or 1 -2 -3, then it becomes 3/4. On the other hand if you group them by 1 2 3 - 4 5 6 then it becomes 6/8. You can group them in many number of ways like 1 2 - 3 4 5 6 or 1 2 3 4 - 5 6.

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Harini - its not just Jay

Whats the next lesson? Some explanation of taalams?

9. Hameer Kalyani
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Kishmu, im an angel..no need to be scared of me.

In order to understand talams, one must learn the alankarams ( which is one of the preliminary lessons a person is taught). i will try and post something on taalams from home tonite..

LOL @ Jay

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OK.. so the chaturashra roopak taalam goes like this.. 12-1234-12-1234 .. Frankly I have no idea about the veechu and laghu thing.. I think thats where I have serious questions.. now by definition "12" is veechu and the following "1234" is laghu.. a veechu contains 2 whole beats and laghu contains 4 whole beats making laghu twice as long as veechu. am I right about that part?

[hide-from-harini]Jay, if you think you were not being funny with your explanation about aadi taalam then you must try harder next time.. I cant stop but laugh!![hide-from-harini]

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12. chichu hope this will clear ur doubts

conisder the verse: "lambodara lagumikara"
set a metronome at say 90bps and count 1 2 1 2 3 4, one number for each count.
(basically each beat is of same length no matter how u count)
then the syllables will fit according to this:

1---2---1---2---3---4
lam mmm boo ooo daa raa
1---2---1---2---3---4
laa guu mii kaa raa aaa

now the way you count this with ur hand is:
on the first one, tap palm face down
on 2 sweep palm around and tap back of palm
on next 1 tap palm face down
on next 2 tap pinky
on 3 tap ring finger
on 4 tap middle finger
now repeat the song with ur palm tapping (with metronome so u have a reference)

I was taught this song in straight roopakam (which is just 123123 for this u tap palm face down twice (for 1,2) and tap back of palm for 3. thats easier.)

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ananth, thx for the clarification.. I will just tap my foot though

harini, this is the part I was confused with from the beginning...

"Beat of hand flip of hand, and then beat, count two with little finger, three with ring finger and four with middle finger."

I was actually counting two beats with little finger, three beats with ring finger and four with the middle finger which complicated the whole math..

I am done with this lesson. if every one is ok can we move to the next lesson?

14. Hameer Kalyani
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lol@chichu.

ananth, chaturashra jathi rupakam is essentially the same as rupaka talam.
the reason this jathi is set the the counting this way, is because kids learn this, and are unable to hold the beat for too long. if you reduce the beat from 6 to three, they would need more control rite? tell me if its confusing. there are some songs in rupakam which are slow and complicated that i use this method of talam...nothing wrong in it.

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http://s23.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1...N05W35KHRT0BN0

malahari sample audio for every one's review. am i doing it right? sorry for the background noise..

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