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    Songs with time signature

    Hi all,

    Can you list some tamil songs with movie title which have got odd time signature like 5/8, 7/8. I am facing difficulties in understanding and identifying odd rhythm. Hearing familiar songs should definitely help improving rhythm skills.

    Time signatures can be classified into three categories - Simple, Compound and Odd. And these are further classified by the terms - duple, triple, quadruple.

    To say roughly, simple states that each beat in a bar can be divided by 2. (Simple signatures have only 2,3 or 4 on top)
    Compound states that each beat in a bar can be divided by 3 ( Any time signature with 6 on top is considered to be compound)
    Odd is a mixture of compound and simple
    Duple (double) states that there are 2 beats in a measure (or bar)
    Triple states that there are 3 beats in a measure.
    Quadruple states that there are 4 beats in a measure.

    In time signature there are 2 numerals seen. The numeral at top represents the number of beats in a bar and the numeral at the bottom represents the value of each beat in a bar. Say, 3/4 - 3 means that there are 3 beats in a bar, and 4 represents the duration or value of each beat. (8 for a quaver, 4 is for crotchet and 2 for minim)

    Examples:[B]
    Simple Duple - 2/4
    Simple Triple - 3/4
    Simple Quadruple - 4/4

    Compound Duple: 6/8
    Compund Triple: 9/8
    Compound Quadruple: 12/8

    Odd: 7/8, 5/8, 10/8, 11/8

    Kadhal Roja - Roja is in 4/4
    Enna vilai azhagey - Kadhalar Dinam is in 6/8
    Iru vizhi unadhey - Minnale is in 7/8
    Rosaapooo chinna rosaapoo - Sooryavamsam is in 3/4

    I am not sure about how keen are people on rhythm and beats, but I wish to know more in odd rhythms. So please post name of songs which are built on uncommon or odd time signatures

    Thanks,
    Arun Kumar.

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    Hi Arun,

    Its a nice topic that you have started, which I personally like very much. It is infact very simple to identify time signatures of film songs. I just follow this simple way,

    2/4 and 4/4 : Tha Ka Thi Mi; Tha Ka Ju Nu

    3/4 : Tha Ki Ta

    6/8 : Tha Ki Ta; Tha Ki Ta (at twice the speed of 3/4, or in other terms count in quavers)

    5/8 : Tha Ka; Tha Ki Ta

    7/8 : Tha Ki Ta; Tha Ka Thi Mi

    Just keep saying these patterns along with the song - or to be more precise you will naturally be able to say these patterns yourself along with the songs. With this you can identify the time signatures.

    Few examples,

    4/4 :
    Ilaya Nila from Payanangal Mudivathillai
    Nilave Vaa from Mouna Raagam

    3/4 :
    Unai Naan from Jay Jay
    Pootukkal Pottalum from Shatriyan

    6/8 :
    Vaan Megam from Punnagai Mannan
    Manmadha Raasa from TT ;-))
    Kanmani anbodu from Guna

    5/8 :
    Azhagu Malar Aada from Vaidehi Kaathirunthal
    Mazhai Varudhu from Raja Kaiya Vecha
    Kalyana Malai from Pudhu Pudhu Arthangal
    Partha Viizhi from Guna (watch the Googly here, it is Tha Ki Ta; Tha Ka !!)

    7/ 8 :
    Pottu Vaitha from Idhayam
    Meendum Meendum Vaa from Vikram
    Kannale Kadhal Kadidham from Aathma
    Mazhaiyum Neeye from Azhagan
    Om Namaha from Idhayathai Thirudathey

    and much much more.

    Hope it is clear. From the above definitions, I think you can find out that Iru Vizhi Unadhu from Minnale is 4/4 and not 7/8.

    The next thread could obviously be songs which have multiple time signatures !!

    Rajesh

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    Rajesh, can u pls tell me in which time signature 'en iniya pon nilaavey' song is?
    3/4 pattern is clear in the charanam.. but the pallavi part confuses a lot.

    And in minnale - iru vizhi unadhey is in 7/8. It's clear in the intro bass rhythm and more clear in the line 'naatkal neeludhey, engo ponadhey'. In this song 7/8 goes like
    Tha ka Thi Mi ; Tha Ki ta.

    You are a drummer, you should be knowing more about time signatures and styles..... but that's what I feel for the minnale song

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    hey dudes this time signature is not clear with me.. can u explain this giving example of a hindi or english song.. does 3/4 mean 3 beats out of 4 time intervals.. if this is so then.. how to decide which time frame will miss the beat.. i hope i m not confusing u much.. waltz beat is what according 2 u.. plz explain more.. nice thread..

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    Walts generally is 3/4. But do remember u have got 6/8 waltz too.
    In the first post it is clear, but terms are hi-fi.

    Vishwa, u need not compare the numerator and denominator. Do u read staff notations, if yes.. then it is more easy to explain. The numerator tells the number of notes in a measure, and the denominator tells the value of each note.
    3/4 means 3 notes are in a measure, and each note is a crotchet. (4 is for crotchet, 2 is for minim, 8 is for quaver; crotchet has value of 1 count, minim 2 counts and quaver half count).

    4/4 is the most common one used.. basic example will be - twinkle twinkle little star. If you are able to follow the song by counting 1 2 3 4 in a cycle then it is 4/4.
    1.......2...3......4...1...2..3....4.
    (Twin-kle twin-kle litt-le star)

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    ^^ thanx guitar boy.. i got it..

 

 

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