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    Carnatic Scales

    Hey guys, I'm new to these boards and I'm not sure if this thread is in the right area. Well I'm a metal guitarist and I want to add some carnatic scales into my arsenal (Really weird, but meh). Could someone please post up some scales for me? Thanks.

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    here you go
    raag shanakarabaranam-c major in western
    raag keeravaani-a minor(harmonic)minor
    raag kalyani-g major
    raag mohanam-arohanam(acending)cdegc avarohanam(decending)cgedc

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    thts it for now i ll submit many more in the near future!

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    There's a mistake

    Shankarabaranam = Any Major Scale....
    Look at the intervels in both Shankarabaranam and any Major Scale....

    Whoever told you that Sa means C is a big Nut.....In Western, the basic note is A which is defined as 440Hz. In Carnatic, C is the natural pitch of any voice. For a girl, the Sa will be high and for a male it will be low...Even tuning of Carnatic Instruments will be done based on the vocalist's pitch. Even if you take a Shruthi Box, you can see that Sa can be adjusted to your convenience....Everybody dont sing in the same Sa...

    Kalyani = Lydian Scale and not G Major Scale....G Major Scale is also Shankarabaranam Scale starting in G.

    If you notice that Kalayni and Shankarabaranam have the same notes except the M. Shankarabaranam has M1 and Kalyani has M2. M2 means Flattened Fifth, ie. Tritone or Three Tone Intervals from the Root.

    In G major, 3 tones from the G = C#....Which means for a Kalayni C# is the most important note that will differentiate it from Shankarabaranam. So G Lydian would be the right equivalent....

    Mohanam = Major Pentatonic Scale....


    Quote Originally Posted by mylaiexpress
    here you go
    raag shanakarabaranam-c major in western
    raag keeravaani-a minor(harmonic)minor
    raag kalyani-g major
    raag mohanam-arohanam(acending)cdegc avarohanam(decending)cgedc
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    ^ But the way Sa re ga ma etc goes, the intervals -> they are similar to C D E ...
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    No....They dont

    Sa....The Root doesn't have any accidentals....Whereas C has an accidental C# ......You cant really equate it that way....

    And anybody equating Sa = C is a NUT.....

    Plus Carnatic Notes are orgnanized as 16 notes instead of 12 notes like the Western....

    Sa, R1, R2, R3....But R2 and R3 share the same name as G1 and G2 and it depends on the context it's used. Refer to Melakartha Raaga. There's an Algorithm of how Raagas are derived which straight away proves that Carnatic kicks Western's Ass ....The basic Raagas are 72 which are scientifically and logically placed. Again kicks ass....

    Quote Originally Posted by alpha1
    ^ But the way Sa re ga ma etc goes, the intervals -> they are similar to C D E ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronnieanand
    No....They dont

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    i thought it followed that pattern
    thanks for the info

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    hey thnx da ya i tottally forgot abt the major .ya u r corrcet major scales are shankarabaranam.any way i ll post the arohanam and avarohanam in the western notations!!any wayz thnx 4 correctin

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    While Sa is certainly not a C (not nescessarily anyway), would it be incorrect to equate the Sa to the root note of the major scale?
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    Sa is not the Root of a Major scale....Sa is the Root note for any scale....
    Sa basically means the root....But fixing it to C, E or G is not correct.....

    Quote Originally Posted by bjr
    While Sa is certainly not a C (not nescessarily anyway), would it be incorrect to equate the Sa to the root note of the major scale?
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    ^ Hmmm so I can sing Sa re ga ma on minor scale too?
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    Yes...It's very interesting here......

    Sa Re Ga Ma Pa Da Ni Sa = Major Scale, Minor Scale, Lydian Scale, Mixlolydian Scale, Dorian Scale, Phryggian, etc......anything damn thing.......

    Sa = Root

    Re1 = Minor 2nd
    R2 = G1 = Major 2nd
    R3 = G2 = Minor 3rd
    G3 = Major 3rd.

    Sa R1 G2 = First three notes in Phryggian or Locrian
    Sa R2 G2 = First three notes in Minor Scale or Dorian
    Sa R2 G3 = First three notes in Lydian, Mixolydian or Major

    So when a Carnatic singer sing, he will still use the same notations Sa Re Ga Ma for all the scales...Of course the notes he sings are different.......


    Quote Originally Posted by alpha1
    ^ Hmmm so I can sing Sa re ga ma on minor scale too?
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    Then perhaps the closest way to relate Sa Re Ga and any western notation would be Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti...that's what I've tended to do anyway.
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    That's how it was always related....

    Quote Originally Posted by bjr
    Then perhaps the closest way to relate Sa Re Ga and any western notation would be Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti...that's what I've tended to do anyway.
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    Cool this is info for me.




    But I used to think that ppl sing Sa Ri Ga Me etc to display the change in scale.
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