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Thread: Carnatic Scales

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    hello baba understand one thing if u r playin in one struthi or transpose c is certainly sa!!but when you change scale you r doin nothin but transposin it !!i think am correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vignesh90
    hello baba understand one thing if u r playin in one struthi or transpose c is certainly sa!!but when you change scale you r doin nothin but transposin it !!i think am correct.

    Yes, but to equate Sa to C would still be incorrect. Sa as C is just one instance of many possibilities.
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    nice talk here... yes, interesting to see, how confusing it becomes if Western thinking and its chromatical octave/chord system meets Indian Classics and the Raga(m) scales.... :-) I was educated in Western classics (7-8 years piano + 2-3 years church organ), then I found to Jazz, Flamenco and to Indian Classics...

    One thing I learnt by my own studies about Carnatic/HIndustani... Forget the Western thinking 1st... even words like "modal structure" as we know it in Jazz or the "Western medieval church music" arent really adequate to understand it clearly whats behind the Indian classical music system...

    This "root thing" of Sa is really tricky, mostly I know from Indian maestros that they tune Sa to Eflat (or E)... Ladies tune a half tone higher compared to men. So was the tradition. :-)

    What I miss here in this discussion is the aspect of the microtonality. Nowadays the octave from Sa to Sa' (with 7 main notes = swaras) is divided in 22 notes (Shruti-s).
    Did you know, that in earlier times it had been 66 shuris for one octave ?! Yes.... imagine, what the ancient maestros must have studied to understand all the nuances, patterns, ornaments for each singler raga scale and School of Indian music (Gharana) they belonged to !!!!

    Here is a sheet you see that the 22 shrutis are not linear... its important to understand this... Raga CDs of the Months (11/08): Microtones in Hindustani Sangeet – the Microtonal Structure of Indian Ragas. « IMC – India meets Classic presents … ( It seems in this forum its not possible to integrate graphic pics directly).

    Plus: Nowadays there exist less 10 types of ornaments (so called Alankaras) which creates the real beauty of a good raga performance - Raga Cds of the months (09/08-09): Alankaras – 10 types of Raga Ornaments (part 1 & 2) « IMC – India meets Classic presents … .

    I just wanted mention this as its not really senseful to talk about 7 main notes if we look at a raga scale. Anyhow... I am just a small shishya and diving little bit into the ocean of Indian music.... Ali Akbar khan explained that music and its effect onto human body/psych/emotions is created by the pause, music is in between the notes. Further he said: "„The bliss, the joy of Ragas one experiences if one dies for it. Death is the condition for this blessedness..." (fully citiation here: Raga CDs of the months (07/09): Tradition & Modernity – A Tribute to Ali Akbar Khan. « IMC – India meets Classic presents … ).

    Naturally I still do not understand what Ali Akbar want say, its music philosophy hi 5 of a universal dimension. But it makes me curiously to learn more about music and its manner.

    More counts beside all this theory we enjoy listening to music or practising music even we are not on such a high level as Sarod legend Ali Akbar KHan. I am very happy about, that as I am just one day in this forum, to meet "freaks" who really help each other and make it transparent what we call Western and Indian music system...

    Great to be here ! :-)
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    Karahapriya has notes similar to Dorian Scale; Dorian Scale has the notes of C major Scale but like D, E, F, G, A, B, C, D (w-h-w-w-w-h-w)

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    harikhambhoji is similar to mixolydian mode


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