Jamhead, either you are not getting it or you have bitten more than you can chew, cuz now you are just trying to escape this thread by posting stale old web links that have nothing to do with the discussion and then saying you are 'washing your hands off', buddy, we havent even started yet!!
i am pretty disappointed now because this time around i was sure that you would put forth a valid argument that will decide this debate once and for all, however after invitations from me and notty you have been unable to point out anything wrong with the 'true' teachings of islam perhaps because indeed islam preaches peace and respect for fellow humans, in now way does jihad gives one licence to kill innocent human beings, its the interpretation and the ideology that has gone wrong at some time in the past, and to that i admit that it was not just and the people who committed those sins shall be punished accordingly.
let me put it in simple english so that you can understand what is the topic here ..
here we are not talking about the actions of misguided souls, nor are we talking about atrocities that were committed, we are talking about 'the role of islam' in all that has happened ... how has islam as a religion played its part in advocating violence and aggression, how is islam as a religion responsible for these acts, where and how does islam preach injustice and innocent killings.
i am sorry to say but the web links that you have provided have nothing to do with the topic, you are just trying to wriggle out of this debate yet again and wash your hands off as quickly as possible before you get anymore humiliation, but this time my friend .... it aint happening!
if you want to blame islam then bring up things against 'islam' not 'muslims' .. see the difference? islam .. muslims? two different things right? thats ma boy!!
waiting for the reply ..
[EDIT] oh by the way you can ask your buddies to help you out here if you want .. i dont mind promise.