# Thread: Tips :: Finding the scale of the song through melody/tabs

1. Originally Posted by amit82cse
.. If this song is really on scale C then fret-5 should be missing in your melody...
im confused with that^ ... from the table u gave its: F#-5
so doesnt that imply that if the 5th fret is the missing one then the scale should be F#?? Plleeeease clarify!
from ur example of the song 'hum hai is pal yahan' the 9th fret was missing ..so from the table: A#-9 ...so it was A# scale rite ? ... should'nt 5th fret missing be F# scale then?

2. Yes fret-5 means F# scale.

let me try playing this song. can you send me song info (film name etc) also if you have chords then it will help validating the observations.

One quick check that you can do is as follow:
1. What you have tabbed, convert them into notes like A B C# etc
2. Write down notes in C scale
3. Do they match?

For C scale I would try to play this song on frets[9,10,11,12] or [10,11,12,13]

3. Someone has posted tabs and chords for the song

And they compliant to my theory.

Take a look at the following thread..

Jab Koi Baat Bigad Jaaye Chords & Tabs Full Song ... My 1st post :-)

Notice the missing fret....

4. ## Tip 2 : From a major scale name how to find the chords

Once you play melody and find out that particular song on say X major scale then next obvious question is what chords should I try to get hang of this song.

Well here is the little theory and observation.

From the note X, write down its completes scales' notes. For this just remember the following formula:

w w h w w w

Above represents the gap between the notes present in any major scale. How to remember the position of only single 'h', simple..Scale has 7 notes, which are separated by 6 gaps, half of 6 is 3 which is the position of only 'h' in major scale.

So for G scale, notes have to be: G A B C D E F#

Now for finding the chords in a task on major scale X is to try playing chords formed by the notes present in the major scale X.

Again here is quick formula that will help you generating the chords for a major scale:

major minor minor major major minor deminished

1 2 2 1 -

Since its a major scale you always start from major chord, next there will be 2 minor chords then again 2 major chords and in the last 1 deminished chord.

So for major scale G, chords have to be: G, Am, Bm, C, D, Em, F#deminished

Once this process is setup clearly in your mind, you dont have to do any paper lookup work.

So, if i have to summarize how to find chords in unknown song, here are steps:

1. Play its melody and find its scale using missing fret tip
2. Take notes of this scale using tip w w h w w w
3. Play chords for this scale using tip M m m M M m d
4. Hear the song clearly, use your ear at max and tab the song for ITG

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6. Hey amit wht bout aadat?

7. I thought you are going to try this let everyone know...

Never mind...You have already requested too many times so I am doing this excercise for you..

Song Aadat: Play it like I do

Zuda hoke bhi, tu mujh mein kahin baaki hai
e----------------------------------------------------------------
B---5-4--2-2-----2-5-5--4-2--2-4/5--5----------------------------
G-1--------------------------------------------------------------
D----------------------------------------------------------------
A----------------------------------------------------------------
E----------------------------------------------------------------

Palko mein ban ke aansu, tu chaali aati hai
e----------------------------1/2---------------------------------
B---5-4--2------------------------5-4-2--2--4/5--5---------------
G-1--------1-1---1-----1-----------------------------------------
D------------------4-4-------------------------------------------
A----------------------------------------------------------------
E----------------------------------------------------------------

Whats the Missing fret - 3
Missing fret corresponds to which scale (as per my theory) - E major
What are the chords in well known Aadat song - A B C#m
Do they compliant with this tip - Yes (Chords in E major scale are E, F#m, G#m, A, B, C#m)

Any doubt guys...

8. ^^ wow ...and yeah jab koi bat bigar jaye is a real good example. as i said it mostly works fine i dont know why it should not wrk in the song i gave u :(
the chords are here:
Chords - Bali Brahmabhatt - Tere Bin Jeena Nahi

[although i prefer playing in C scale ...but bandbaaja mentions the original scale as D so it should be D and only D ]

and im surprised if u havent heard this one ..i mean its worth listenning ...u may want to listen it online

another qn: to follow this approach does it make more sense to avoid open strings while tabbing?

9. Originally Posted by sixstringsin
another qn: to follow this approach does it make more sense to avoid open strings while tabbing?
I think it will help is one avoids the open strings but theoritically its possible. Try playing any song using open strings, fret1 amd fret3. If so then this song has to be on scale Eb.

But I prefer playing scale on higher octaves and once scale is decided then I can come down and play at lower frets or even using open strings.

10. Here you go...

Tere bin jeena nahi
e---------------------------------------------------------
B------13----10-12----------------------------------------
G-9-12-------------12-10----------------------------------
D---------------------------------------------------------
A---------------------------------------------------------
E---------------------------------------------------------

O mere jaane wafaa
e---------------------------------------------------------
B-------12------10----------------------------------------
G----10------12----9-12-----------------------------------
D-12------------------------------------------------------
A---------------------------------------------------------
E---------------------------------------------------------

Missing fret = 11th = C major scale

11. ^^

ok yet another doubt ... in ur prev post (post#24) u mention:
Try playing any song using open strings, fret1 amd fret3. If so then this song has to be on scale G#.

the missing fret here ^ will be 2nd one rite ..so shouldnt it be Eb?

12. Originally Posted by sixstringsin
^^

ok yet another doubt ... in ur prev post (post#24) u mention:
Try playing any song using open strings, fret1 amd fret3. If so then this song has to be on scale G#.

the missing fret here ^ will be 2nd one rite ..so shouldnt it be Eb?
Yes you are rite...its Eb...Mein ne isme itna deemaag laga diya hai ki ab mujhe hi yaad nahi rahta ki kaun sa scale kis missing fret ke liye hai

Hey if you have the mp3 of this song then please mail me at amit82cse@gmail.com

13. man I love your theories ure a genius!

one more favour that is plzz right the chords of each scale like of E major scale U have mentioned ...
(Chords in E major scale are E, F#m, G#m, A, B, C#m)

one more thing that if I tab the song a bit lower and eventually get the missing fret lower so my scale would be wrong?

14. Originally Posted by faraz khan
man I love your theories ure a genius!

one more favour that is plzz right the chords of each scale like of E major scale U have mentioned ...
(Chords in E major scale are E, F#m, G#m, A, B, C#m)
...im saving him the time to search and post the link so he could come up with more genius theories meantime
http://www.indianguitartabs.com/atta...achmentid=1850

15. Oh...you guys are great! Thanks a ton....

One good thing is that if I merge the information I posted in thread "Master the FretBoard" and in this thread, coupled with little chord theory (triads) then I feel that one dont have to look any reference for playing any song on any of the major scales. You dont have to look at the charts for finding what are the chords in a given scale, you dont have to search for notes in a given chord...in short you dont have to boot your PC for any damn reason.

Just you and your guitar and those golden memories....

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