# Thread: Changing the scale to simplify Chords

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## Changing the scale to simplify Chords

Hi All,

Like many beginners are I had problem with songs which were using difficult bar chords. I always wished if there is a way to simplify the chords. After searching the net and reading litle bit of theory, I found following procedure of changing the scale. As it may be useful for other guitarist, I decided to publish this over net. Though, let me state that it comes with a caution that changing scale will result in loss of some sheen from your music.
Following is the procedure of changing the chords
1. Prepare a matrix like below to identify the relation between the chrods and scale. (It should be available somewhere on net)
2. Find the scale of the song by looking at the chords used in the song and name the chords using the roman numbers
3. Look for other scale (most of the time you will end up with C or G scale, if the song is in major scale) which may have simpler chords with the same roman numbers
You can also go thru the theory in detail on link http://www.howmusicworks.org/hmw711.asp

Scale C D E F G A B
I C D E F G A B
ii Dm Em F#m Gm Am Bm C#m
iii Em F#m G#m Am Bm C#m D#m
IV F G A Bb C D E
V G A B C D E F#
vi Am Bm C#m Dm Em F#m G#m
vii Bdim C#dim D#dim Edim F#dim G#dim A#dim

I tried this with song - dheere dheer se meri jindagi me aana -
On net i found this song was using the chords G#m and F#,
I started looking for the scale which uses these two chords, which came out to be F#
and the roman name of these keys in F# major scale are (ii) & (I).
I changed the scale to Dmajor. Equivalent chords were D and Em
So I played the song with these keys and I found it pretty effective.

You may give it a try. Do send me your experience and result of any eventual experiment.

2. Originally Posted by rahul_agarwal_1
Hi All,

Like many beginners are I had problem with songs which were using difficult bar chords. I always wished if there is a way to simplify the chords. After searching the net and reading litle bit of theory, I found following procedure of changing the scale. As it may be useful for other guitarist, I decided to publish this over net. Though, let me state that it comes with a caution that changing scale will result in loss of some sheen from your music.
Following is the procedure of changing the chords
1. Prepare a matrix like below to identify the relation between the chrods and scale. (It should be available somewhere on net)
2. Find the scale of the song by looking at the chords used in the song and name the chords using the roman numbers
3. Look for other scale (most of the time you will end up with C or G scale, if the song is in major scale) which may have simpler chords with the same roman numbers
You can also go thru the theory in detail on link http://www.howmusicworks.org/hmw711.asp

Scale C D E F G A B
I C D E F G A B
ii Dm Em F#m Gm Am Bm C#m
iii Em F#m G#m Am Bm C#m D#m
IV F G A Bb C D E
V G A B C D E F#
vi Am Bm C#m Dm Em F#m G#m
vii Bdim C#dim D#dim Edim F#dim G#dim A#dim

I tried this with song - dheere dheer se meri jindagi me aana -
On net i found this song was using the chords G#m and F#,
I started looking for the scale which uses these two chords, which came out to be F#
and the roman name of these keys in F# major scale are
(ii) & (I).
I changed the scale to Dmajor. Equivalent chords were D and Em
So I played the song with these keys and I found it pretty effective.

You may give it a try. Do send me your experience and result of any eventual experiment.
By giving an example, please mention the right scale!
This song contains the G#m and the F#, but the scale is the G# minor scale and not the F# major scale!

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Thanks keoraf for correction

This is the question I always wanted to ask.. how do you know if song is in let us say A minor or C major.. both uses no sharps/ no flats.. and so on..
for that matter how did you know the song is in G#m and not F# major..

4. I really can't help you with this question, i think the majority of musicians are dealing with this issue. In my opinion its just a matter of listening, just because minor scale songs are sounding different from major scale songs! And to hear that difference, i think it will take a while, its just a matter of alot of experience in both, playing and listening music!
There are some people who think that sad songs mostly are minor songs and happy songs are major songs, but in my opinion thats just a fairy tale, i don't think there is a rule or definition that can tell you how to determine the scale whether its major- or minor-scale!

5. Oh yeah, forgot to say this, G#minor scale is the relative minor scale of the B major scale and not the F# scale as you mentioned in your first post!

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thanx a lott rahul

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