# Thread: help needed in scales

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## help needed in scales

hey guys......i'm a beginner an iam somewhat stuck with the scales........i read on this site itself that the scales would sound like sa re ga ma or do re me.....whatever......but ive tried all the five scales namely major,minor pentoic,blues,major pentaoic and minor but none of em sounds like dat.....plz help me out....thanx.

2. k..lets start from the basics
Basically we have the notes C,D,E,F,G,A,B,C which correspont to ur Sa , Re Ga, Ma, etc.
Now a scales i basically a sequence of notes arranged in a certain intervallic fashion.
Dont get scared.

Another thing u gotta know before we proceed:
Half Step: when u go from C to C#, or C# to D or B to C
Remember: c,c#,d,d#,e,f,f#,g,g#,a,a#,b,c. (and similarly u can get it in terms of flats)

So now...major scale:
the formula for the construction of a major scale goes as:
F-F-H-F-F-F-H. where F- is a full step(2 half steps) and H denotes a half step.
Example:we wanna find the C major scale..so using the above formula
a full step from C is C->C#->D. Then a full step from D is D->D#->E
Half step from E is E-> F..and so on u get:
C-D-E-F-G-A-B-C
This is the C major scale..this is ur Sa,Re,Ga,Ma scale.

So u can construct any major scale.

3. ## correction

Originally Posted by dennis
So now...major scale:
the formula for the construction of a major scale goes as:
F-F-H-F-F-F-H. where F- is a full step(2 half steps) and H denotes a half step.
A little reminder that it isnt F-F-H-F-F-F-H but F-F-F-H-F-F-F-H

4. no dude..u are wrong..apply it to the C major scale and see what u get!!

5. dennis is right.. its F-F-H-F-F-F-H

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Yeah, it is F-F-H-F-F-F-H

A good way to remember this is two "F-F-H"s seperated by "F" ( Read on some website )

7. Originally Posted by FiXXXeR
hey guys......i'm a beginner an iam somewhat stuck with the scales........i read on this site itself that the scales would sound like sa re ga ma or do re me.....whatever......but ive tried all the five scales namely major,minor pentoic,blues,major pentaoic and minor but none of em sounds like dat.....plz help me out....thanx.
there may be several reasons why your "scale" does not sound like sa re ga ma.
lets rule out the trivial reason first - is your guitar tuned properly? If its not, you may be playing the tabs corresponding to a scale but the notes produced won't match the scale.
next, what do you mean by "sound like sa re ga ma"? Do you have a reference "sa re ga ma" to compare with? besides, sa re ga ma, do re mi, and C D E are not all teh same thing. sa re ga ma pa da ni sa can correspond to a lot of different combinations of notes depending on the context. It may be hard for you to understand this, but sa re ga ma changes from song to song.
finally hers a typical "sa re ga ma" tab you might likely find:
E--------------7-8------
B-----5-6-8-9-----------
G-5-6-------------------
D-----------------------
A-----------------------
E-----------------------
thats assuming you can read tabs.
If you learn to ask the correct question, you are half way towards the answer!

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dude..u need to have a look at the lessons out here and then post ur queries..or do a search ..many questions are already answered bfore.

peace man..and good luck on learnin guitar.

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hey thanx man......do tell me the formulae of other scales and as u say a scale can be formed on a single string then why a 6 string scale?i saw the scales on cyberfret.com....dude help me out coz this theory is jus going above my head.thanx

10. hmm..i just know major and minor scales..and pentatonics, so i wudnt be able to tell u lots of formulae.
personally, i think u dont need to know 1000 scales but know a few scales "well"

Anyways to the second part i can answer.
scales are just a sequence of notes, u can play em either on a single string opr on 6 strings.
y play over 6 strings:
1. it more practical..eg. for a cmajor scale to go from say c to g ud have to make a jump.(if u wanna go higher i.e.)..so u got 6 string pattern.
2. single string scales are in a single ocatave, 6 string one span many octaves..hence to get variety in the sound.
both single and 6 string patterns are used...depends on what u wanna do.

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## Tone/Semi-Tone

Agree with Dennis,
but you may sometime find Full and Half referenced as Tone and Semi-Tone

12. dont worry too much abt scales... jstu know the major scale..

if u take the sixth note of the major scale and play the same scale - u get the minor scale of that major
for example:
c major: C D E F G A B C
6th note: A

so play the same sequence of notes starting from A to give u the A minor:
A minor: A B C D E F G A

Now you can sit and figutre it all ut in terms of those intervals and all..

13. Nice topic.

Hey Fixxxer, when you refer to Sa, Re, Ga, Ma, ... you haven't referred to which Raaga you are talking about. Sa and C are not exactly the same. I wouldn't compare the Raaga straight away with scales but rather with modes.
When you Sa, Re, Ga, Ma, these are available notes
Sa, Re1, Re2, Ga1, Ga2, Ma1, Ma2, Pa, Dha1, Dha2, Ni1, Ni2, Sa. Something like Flats and Sharps. Sa and Pa dont have it's twin.

Sa, Re2, Ga2, Ma1, Pa, Dha2, Ni2, Sa is a Major scale. It doesn't say whether it's C Major or D Major. I'd rather call this a Major Scale or an Ionian Scale. On Raaga this is a proper Shankaraa Bharanam. People even refer to this raaga as sounding western. So your interval theory of WWH -H- WWH for the major or Ionian scale holds good for Sa, Re, Ga,.. exactly for Shankaraa Baranam raaga.

With my guess, the Sa, Re, Ga, Ma you reffered to is of Maaya Maalava Gowla raaga which goes like
Sa, Re1, Ga2, Ma1, Pa, Dha1, Ni2, Sa. The interval for this is HWWWH(W+H)H. (W+H) meant 1 1/2 steps. The scales you compared with like Major, Minor, Blues, Pentaonics dont have this interval. That's why you had a feeling that it didn't sound like our Indian counter part. If you want to compare modality with it, it's actually a Phrygian Scale with a Sharpenned seventh.
Phrygian Scale: H W W W H W W
Maaya M.G : H W W W H (W+H) H

The last interval is to reach the next octave. If you noticed, the only change is a sharpenned 7th for the Raaga. Play this Phrygian Scale with a sharpenned seventh and you'd be convinced. Again tonality doesn't bother here. You playing modified Phrygian starting from C, D, E or anything you like, you'd be convinced that it does sound like what you wanted.

Pentatonics are oly 5 note scale.
Let's look at a 5 note Raaga. This is called Mohanam. The Raaga goes like
Sa, Re2, Ga1, Pa, Dha2, Sa; Sa, Dha2, Pa, Ga1, Re2, Sa. Actually there's an ascend and descend in every raaga. Lets compare the intervals for this raaga. It's W, W, (W+H), W, (W+H). You play this raaga and you already knew it as a scale. Voila, it the Major Pentatonic Scale. Again it's only the modality that matters, not the tonality. So you play C Major Pentatonic or D Major Pentatonic it just would sound the same.

Raaga are pretty interesting because there are many Raagas where the ascend is different from the descent. The scale or modes dont have it that way

Hope you aren't bogged down with unncessary information.

14. @ronnieanand... great info...

"I wouldn't compare the Raaga straight away with scales but rather with modes." now what do you mean by this... could you please elaborate ... I am a naught at music theory...

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